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There Weapons

Discussion in 'General Kingdom Hearts' started by Answer Man, Mar 21, 2009.

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  1. Master Gilgamesh

    Master Gilgamesh New Member

    I've read all of this and i don't think maleficent's keyblade for dark riku in KH 1 was mentioned. that didn't have a keychain, so T, A, V could all have had keyblades made for them, and the lack of key chain would signify this: they aren't real keyblades. in KH2 final mix vs Terra, his transforms right? no other Keyblade does that.
    In the FMix cutscene, Ven's is reversible, so i can be weilded either end. So if these are made for them, then they probably are made for special techniques/ users personality, etc
     
  2. Roxotho

    Roxotho Banned

    the user's personality changes the keyblade & how it can b used
    plus, maleficent didnt make that keyblade for riku, ansem (xehanort's heartless) gave it 2 him
     
  3. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Um, Riku's dark keyblade is a fake keyblade, basically, so you can't even compare Riku's Unlocker Keyblade, to TAV's, because rikus is not real, Im pretty sure that TAV's keyblades are real. thats pretty much why it doesn't have a keychain

    First off we didn't fight Terra in KH2FM+, okay so stop saying that, we fight a suit of armor that doesn't talk, and that fight has NOTHING TO DO, with the story, its just there for fun, something like Sephiroth fight in KH1, or the Kurt Zesa(spelling) or the phantom, nothing to do with the story its just there to have fun, so don't compare it with any thing.
    .
    Makes no sense,

    Um wrong, the user personality does not change the keyblade, and how it can be used...
    o_O
    The user, uses it how he/she chooses, either to bring destruction to the worlds, or be a sora and help people

    Wrong......again...

    Riku's Heart Unlocker, or Dark Keyblade(its hardly even a keyblade actually so i don't see why we are comapring it to TAV's keyblades) anyway, Dark Riku's heart unlocker wasn't given to him by Xehanort's Heartless, because when Riku was weilding it, he was Xehanorts Heartless >.>, notice the voice....

    anyway,
    The Keyblade was made from 6 of the 7 Princesses of Heart..
     
  4. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    i like that threoy that the keyblades differ from the user, plus the fight in kh2fm the amor guy said something bout xrohornant. so even if it's been comfirmed that the fight means nothing dosn't mean it has nothing to do with the game. his keyblade had powers way stronger than soras. plus it might have been him
     
  5. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    Terra's Keyblade is a tech keyblade - meaning it can transform and do crazy things. I remember reading that somewhere.....

    Riku's sword is not a keyblade (Seemingly, no 'key' structure to it) and yet he is able to help Sora and Mickey confront Kingdom Hearts the second game.
     
  6. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    But again they don't differ from the users...at all, so this theory doesn't matter.
    The armor guy means nothing, again, doesn't matter how strong he is, if he means nothing it means nothing, even if he is stronger than sora

    sephiroth is stronger, than sora, and it means nothing..exactly.



    Actually no, i need the source
    because we have not once seen it transform, nor has nomura even said anything like this.. so your going of a theory.

    Riku's Soul Eater, is not a keyblade. its a sword given to him by malificent, this sword some how turned into Riku's Keyblade in KH2

    Riku does get a keyblade in Kingdom Hearts, with a keyblade structure, called the Way To Dawn,..

    Btw they don't confront Kingdom Hearts, they confront Xemnas, but they open kingdom hearts with all three of their keyblades

    and if you don't think that the Way To Dawn has a key structure, then The Gayblade he let kairi use,while he was duel wielding, has a key structure
     
  7. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    Umm... I'm pretty sure it bends and grows and twists and turns and stuff. I watched the fight....

    Where does it say that it is a keyblade? . . .

    Nitpicker.... Point is, they opened a big door.


    .... I don't remember the dual-wielding. I only remember the butterfly blade given to Kairi...
     
  8. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Now, unlike you, i have proof


    i watched the fight?

    there is no fight, ive seen every trailer, or teaser, it doesn't twist, it may glow, but it doesn't bend, its not piccolo's arm.

    so if you don't have direct proof it doesn't transform, then you basically going off a theory.



    im pretty sure this much can cover it. an interviw from Nomura, the brains behind the operation

    Question: We found out that Riku's Keyblade's name is "Way to the Dawn" when examining his item slots after he joined your party. Is that Keyblade a transfigured version of Soul Eater?

    Nomura: I designed it with that image. Since Riku has always been using Soul Eater, he still calls it that even after it changed form. Keyblades aren't something that you can obtain suddenly out of nowhere so in Riku's case, his Soul Eater was used as an intermediary for that Keyblade.


    source: Kingdom Hearts Ultimania - NI/KH2U



    SO im pretty sure, that you guys need to learn how to read or atleast look up interviews before trying to sound like you know what your talking about o_O




    DtD to be exact.




    He duel weilds, and gives Kairi the keyblade, that keyblade is made from riku's memories of Destiny Islands, so its not butterlies, it flowers, and the popou fruit is the keychain.

    He splits the Way To Dawn KEYBLADE in half, so she is basically just weilding Riku's way to dawn,

    to break it down in terms that you probably wont understand o_O:

    Riku was the one that gave her the Keyblade, via Duel Wielding.

    It was based by the very content we're shown - Riku giving Kairi the Keyblade as opposed to her summoning one, and Xemnas later on not giving a damn about her when addressing the wielders of the Keyblade, and only getting a response from Sora, Riku and Mickey).

    This was confirmed by Nomura in Another Report when he said that what Riku gave Kairi was in fact the Soul Eater - which by then became the Way to Dawn. Riku giving Kairi the WtD (albeit with another Keychain) while still wielding the WtD = Riku Duel Wielding.

    The circumstances under which he Duel Wields are presumed to be him having XH inside him and Riku utilizing XH's powers at the time. This likely relates to Xehanort's relations to BBS, much like Sora/Roxas's Duel Wielding is explained by Ven and however they might be related to him.

    if you need the source ill find it, but its hard to find and im tired of repeating myself.
     
  9. Master Gilgamesh

    Master Gilgamesh New Member

    Uh...note secret KH2 cutscene. this is years before KH1, and whaddaya know, the light kingdom key, the dark kingdom key and way to the dawn are, shock horror in the middle of the keyblade field...so no, soul eater would most likely have not transformed.

    Not the HB cutscene in KH1, where riku reclaims 'his' kingdom key from sora. Quote numerous times throught series: the keyblade chooses its weilder, hence riku turning to darkness, etc, etc.

    by the way, i NEVER said anything about soul eater being a keyblade. KH strategy guide clearly has, in bold purple writing that the battle is "Riku- Sword" and the next "Riku- Keyblade"
     
  10. Master Gilgamesh

    Master Gilgamesh New Member

    Also,
    by the way, i'm covering for Moogles forever.

    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4xaTTSNs9k]YouTube - Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix - Terra Battle - Critical Mode"

    it goes big, splits, etc etc
    enjoy the movie, and i believe you said something about not being a fight?
     
  11. i would usually back up master gilgamesh on these things, but i my belief is that the Way to Dawn is the Soul Eater, transformed through Riku's connection to the Keyblade that he was initially to be master of. Or, since the Soul Eater is created from the then current darkness in Riku's heart, and Riku finally decided to use both light and darkness, which he needed to use to wield the keyblade, the Soul Eater changed to reflect the change of heart within Riku
     
  12. cozzy_0205

    cozzy_0205 New Member

    I'd have to be inclined to agree with endless waltz because his explination spans across Riku's entire history and just makes sense.
     
  13. Master Gilgamesh

    Master Gilgamesh New Member

    it sorta does, but when you think about it, sora has the keyblade of light (light world kingdom key), mickey has the darkness one (realm of darkness kingdom key) and since riku was light, then darkness, then light again. way to dawn might be for those who lose their way, ergo the name...*points at cozzy_205 and endless waltz* you tow are my friends, why don't you back me up?! :'(
     
  14. cozzy_0205

    cozzy_0205 New Member

     
  15. I kinda of agree with coz, Riku even tells Ansem that he is taking the road to dawn, which suggest that he is walking both paths
     
  16. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.


    I hope you know i gave you the interview, in which it said the keyblade, and why riku has it, and its even basically named after what Riku said, are you a big ass idiot? omg,
    but ill go deeper and make you look more lame, no offense

    Anyway, um the reason the keyblades w
    here is proof that the WAY TO DAWN IS RIKU'S SOUL EATER

    We found out that Riku's Keyblade's name is "Way to the Dawn" when examining his item slots after he joined your party. Is that Keyblade a transfigured version of Soul Eater?

    Nomura: I designed it with that image. Since Riku has always been using Soul Eater, he still calls it that even after it changed form. Keyblades aren't something that you can obtain suddenly out of nowhere so in Riku's case, his Soul Eater was used as an intermediary for that Keyblade.


    Here shows he did not know the name of the three armored people meaning it was just conept:
    Who are the 3 armoured people?

    Nomura: Those 3 are completely new people who haven't shown up at all. In fact, I've already thought of their names. Back when I was making that movie, I only had their settings but now I've even drawn their faces to give myself a clearer image of them.

    This means he DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE AT THE TIME OF MAKING KH2 FINAL MIX PLUS, HE DIDT EVEN KNOW THEIR NAMES, SO THAT ARMORED GUY ISN'T TERRA HE IS THERE FOR FUNNN, IT WAS A LITTLE AFTER KH2FM RELEASE THAT HE FIGURED EVERYTHING OUT .THANK YOU

    Next Is The Reason Why Riku's Keyblade was, it means nothing, it was just to show us something:

    The king, Sora and Riku's keyblades were there, too.

    Nomura: It's to show that those three armoured people aren't them but that doesn't mean they don't have connections. The words "Keyblade War" that showed up in the middle were to implicate that there were fights between Keyblades. Most of the puzzles in the first KH have been solved in KHII but there are many things about the Keyblade that haven't been revealed yet. A line from the previous game's Ansem Report #8 appeared in the movie but that is to say "It means this but it's not explained yet."


    Thank you, anything else you would like to rip apart?

    "
    The Soul Eater Is Rikus Keyblade, but of course the Guide wouldn't call the Soul Eater a keyblade because its not, Way To Dawn is riku's keyblade, so you dont' have to say anything about it, because it seems like everything coming out your mouth is incorrect sir.

    Anyway, the keyblade did belong to riku, the keyblade chooses weilders with a strong heart, thats why sora was able to weild it when it wasn't his.
    The reason it went to riku at HB, is because Riku made sora doubt himself, leaving sora with a weaker heart, meaning Riku had the stronger heart, meanign the keyblade left sora,
    Now when we battle riku and the keyblade returns to sora, its not because riku's darkness, nah its because riku's heart was weaker, he stopped believing in the power of his heart basically and sora's had grown stronger. so the keyblade returned to him.

    no need to show me, because i have and beat KH2 Final Mix, i also fought him
    i thought me meant a fight that matter


    Ok that was Terra, then why the hell is he still alive 11 years after his death or whatever happened to him? This fight is non canon, meaning nothing to do the story, His keyblade could have turned into a big heartless, it still wouldn't have anything to do with the story. If it did, then we would know why terra is still their, he just put it in there so you kids can have fun. WHat he does with his keyblade in that fight means nothing. If you can show me that he does it in the actual game, Where it does matter, then i would believe you, but he doesn't omgggg ha read interviews please please, don't try to prove me wrong it will back fire unless you have solid proof

    plus i gave you the proof above.

    Thank you for having since sir.

    Point number 2
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2009
  17. Master Gilgamesh

    Master Gilgamesh New Member

    i'll have to reluctantly agree there, but nomura still hasn't given a reason as to why way to the dawn was in the field when soul eater IS way to the dawn. and excuse me for not having KH1 FM and 2 FM+ in PAL format.
     
  18. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    I don't know why you are so reluctant when i just gave you proof?

    o_O and yes, it is to show that its not him, the keyblades they grabbed don't matter, half of that video was concept, meaning the first half was concept,meaning the keyblades that were their no meaning, because that keyblade was made from Riku, Riku was the first and only person to weild it, meaning it was just there, nomura didn't know who the armored people were at the time, he just wanted us to ponder about the next game, because as you notice, or should have, those keyblades disapear in the second half of the video when all of their faces are revealed, that half of the video mattered, its sort of the end to the game, so says nomura
     
  19. Master Gilgamesh

    Master Gilgamesh New Member

    nomura could be giving red herrings, as who wants to spoil all the games secrets before its made?
    proof for me is actually sitting in front of a PS2, holding a controller.
     
  20. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    ur a bigger idiot then i thought, no offense
    anything that comes out of nomuras mouth is not a false clue, he even said that before kh2 came out,
    Its um not really spoiling anything, at all actually.

    nomura has NEVER, given us red herrings, its not his style, his style is more of a, He will say something, and make us ponder, or answer our questions, with other questions
     
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