Religion

you are so full of yourself...
never twisted your words.
your a classic case of denial.

no, he didnt. it wasnt his place. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, i'm saying it was not his place.

oh, and i have to disagree with your second statement. I make everything come round circle, dont doubt me for a second. I believe that human ego is the true devil.

all i can tell you is to really study christianity and other religions around the world. if u dont man, u'll be stuck in your Jesus bubble the rest of your life. Trust me, its so much better outside of the Bubble. I know, i'v been there.

sin is everywhere, duh??
we as a human race might not be able to proove that there is such a thing as good, but we can proove that there is something called evil.

 

I mentioned pride yes, but not the pride in which you are directing at me. Hence a twist of words.

And also ego and pride are the same thing. One of ego's definition is:

This is what I was referring to. A good sense of ones self and their actions. You however were referring to:

Now if we could please end this discussion I would ask that from now on that you please show me the respect I've been showing you. And to clarify here is what I mean:

I have not once called you arrogant, conceited, full of yourself, etc.

I have not once called you disillusion or in a state of denial.

I have read all of your posts towards me without saying you were annoying or anything above -which you weren't. A little strong headed, but such is peoples nature on many of their views.

Do I not deserve the same respect I have shown you?

Now with all of that out of the way, let me see here. Religion while divers in many cultures seems to have some thread woven throughout all of them that is similar. Can any of you provide examples of which religious laws are the same?




Also as a side note there are about 20+ definitions of "good". While you might try to continue the pride argument on the fine lined definition of one word I'll present to you the definition I am referring to so that this way there is no confusion.

Me walking away from this argument via thread will only stick to the religious questions and philosophies here on out.

 

It doesnt matter what pride you were talking about, it matters what "kind" of pride i was talking about. But there is only one kind of pride, there aren't two. No matter what text books say, definitions are only used to confuse people.


Yes, ego and pride are the same thing.
You know what i mean, again, dont try to use definitions to split the meaning of ONE THING.
ego and pride are the same, end of story.


As for "respect", u have had a sense of arrogance in your posts.
Again, a good example of your pride in action.
I dont care if your some mod on another site, it doesnt matter. Being a mod in general doesnt make you any better than anyone else.

Pride and ego have a lot to do with religion. I'll finish this in my next post, gotta run.

 

A man runs into a burning building to save an infant. That is not a good deed?

 

i said we MIGHT not be able to prove it.

 

Just curious to what everyone here thinks about the 19th century philosopher Frederich Nietzsche. I figured this would be an appropriate place to bring him up, considering he spoke out against God quite often in his work.

 

OH. You mean a atheist who started the quote "God is dead". I've heard of the quote, but never did know who started it. Didn't know it was him. How can the eternal God die anyways? It does not make any sense at all to me.

 

Well Brandon, you have to understand that there is no certain way as to know whether there is truly a God or not. No religion can know the entire truth of what goes on after this life, and not everyone believes in God. Saying 'God is dead' is merely just Nietzsche stating his beliefs, as you do every time you pray to God.

 

Right now, I'm real curious about this man. He says that christianity made suffering as a sin, but no where in the bible that I know of says that suffering is a sin. We will suffer in pain yes, but everyone will suffer in some kind of way. I don't remember anything about suffering being a sin & I don't see suffering as a sin. Suffering is where you are going through hard times, battles & troubles, & the affliction of your flesh & soul.

 

Since you talk about the guy saying 'God is dead' I might as well point out something concerning people who say something like that.

They end up dying not too long afterwards.

John Lennon
Tancredo Neves
Cazuza
Marilyn Monroe
Bon Scott
Some people in Campinas
Christine Hewitt

And there are more people similar to these people.

 

Maybe it is ment that we suffer because we sin.
Suffering itself is not a sin, but i'm saying that it may be a sign of a past sin.

You make a good point. It is very possible that those men said those things, knowing they'd die soon afterwards, and they said it because they were Athiests, and they might've said it in a way of saying they themselves will die. Saying God is dead, or God will die may be just them realizeing they wil die (A.), and them calling themselves God in some type of egotistical manner (B.).

 

If you look for symbolism, you're going to find it. Shortly after that I found out about 42 being the answer, I began seeing 42 all over the place. Oh on the death part, No duh? EVERYBODY DIES AT ONE POINT. And, "Calling themselves god"? Bull. Lettsee now. . . .

John Lennon - Lost 80% of blood from being shot 4 times by a lunatic obessed with Catcher In The Rye
Tancredo Neves - abdominal complications and developed generalized infections. (He was old.)
Cazuza - AIDS related illness
Marilyn Monroe - probable OD
Bon Scott - Alcohol Abuse
Some people in Campinas - "Work Related" injuries
Christine Hewitt - killed by unknown attackers

Oh, and there were plenty of good Christians who were killed/died. Does that mean that Atheists did it? No.

3 Kennedy brothers -
Martin Luther King -
Lincoln -

Crap. . . I need to do my history. Ness.

 

Your confused, this wasn't about being assassinated or GETTING killed, this was about these egotistical guys saying God is dead.

I dont think MLK or Lincoln ever said GOD IS DEAD.
Do you get it now?

 

The ones I were talking about weren't 'work related' injuries. It was a car accident.

In Campinas , Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to
pick up a friend..... The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: 'My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You.'
She responded: 'Only If He (God) Travels In The Trunk,
Cause Inside Here.....It's Already Full '
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact.. The police said there was no way the trunk could have
remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken

Can you say that the Kennedys were good Christians?
Ted Kennedy drove drunk, drove off a bridge, and swam for safety while the woman in his car suffocated from lack of air as the car sank.
John F. Kennedy might have have illegal support from the Mob to win the Presidency (And as a result, the Mob orders him to get shot and he does get shot. But that is if he used the Mob to become President).

My stepdad was talking about the Kennedys when Ted Kennedy died. And he talked about how horrible people they were. And that Robert Kennedy was the best out of all of them.

 

I agree with u ther DW.
Your right, especially with Ted. Ted was a murderer.
JFK might not'v been "bad", but he wasn't good.
and Robert had his fair share of problems to.

 

Oh. I kinda went with the first Campinas result on Google. I'm lazy

One for Ripley's, much?

You had said those people died coincidentally/incidentally/just so happened because they said God was Dead.

JFK may have had mob support, but even if he did he strived for civil rights reform. As for Robert, I don't know much other than he ran for a seat in congress (I think). Ted Kennedy helped influence many of the laws that we had today having to do with equality. Now, I was apply these men on the basis of the good that they had done, and they have ALL DIED. Two shot and killed. One died recently.

. . . . . You don't read, do you?

Oh, and MLK was a pimp in the literal sense. (Or a gigolo. I can't remember which.)

 

My point with what I had said was that people who insult God or say 'God is dead' seem to die a little bit afterwards.

 

What is that suppose to mean? "I dont read", wtf? I read a lot.
explain.

and i dont think MLK was a pimp, that probably something skin heads made up.

 

-_________- Martin Luther King, or MLK if you guys want to abbreviate, was never a pimp. What made him one to begin with? A christian, yes, but a christian pimp, you need information on that one Moog. There are christians who did wrong or made mistakes before like the Kennedys.

 

. . . . That's what I said you had said, for the most part.

My point in bringing MLK and Lincoln up is that they were both peacemakers. AND THEY WERE BOTH SHOT. Not that they said "God is dead". I was using them as a counterargument.

He was accused of being a 'womanizer'. Apparently, I had meant gigolo, not pimp. Sorry. My point was that christians that did plenty of good died/were killed too. Not just people that said "God is dead".