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FFX and FFVII Linked?

Discussion in 'General Final Fantasy' started by Zenrot, Apr 9, 2008.

  1. Khthree

    Khthree Banned

    "FFVII and FFX are not sequels, prequels, or any other kind of quel", of course they arent, but what your trying to say is that the Devs of the games just decided to put them together all of a sudden, which i think is a red flag on their part and any other person's part. At the end of the day, most FF fans arent gonna come to this conclusion of the 2 games being even in the same universe, cus that idea would just be to "far out there".

    now the Fabula Nova Crystallis XIII series THAT is in the same universe if im not mistaken, even tho those games do differ quite abit. cus see there in the same compilation and SE has said so, FFX is NOT in the Compilation of FFVII in any way shape or form.

    look, to be far, i do understand that the Ultimania book did say something of the sort that theres a "link", but more then anything, i belive its more meant to be soemthing of a joke on SE's part then to be taken 100% serious. i wouldnt go 'round telling ppl that there related in a MAJOR way, just a small reference on SE's part with Shinra.

    dont go overboard now
     
  2. lokisenna

    lokisenna New Member

    youre saying im pulling facts out of my ass basically =p
    now its almost just plain denial
    go look up translations for every FF7 and 10/10-2 ultimania and I promise you will se more than just the word "link"
    theres a good hour and a half if not more of reading on the subject

    almost everything you say is true once you take out the denial of them being connected
    no one here is trying to say ffX is anything its not
    no one is saying its part of the compilation
    nothing..so what are you geting at
    go and read them
     
  3. EbeneezerAl

    EbeneezerAl New Member

    khthree, don't double post.

    Now, as for the subject. If the creators say it's there, it's there. I get annoyed when people try to attribute themes and allegory to a book when the author says that there is none. How do you know better than the author? The same is true in this case, though the other way around. If the creator says it's so, it's so.

    Now if you want my personal opinion, I don't think it was originally intended that way. I beleive that there was no original intention to link the games at the time the original FFX was created. I find it more likely that the similarities werre either homage to FFVII or simply the result of past work influencing current work. Then the developers saw the fan theories, and decided to encourage this. Thus FFX-2 has more obvious references to FFVII than does the original FFX. The developers decided to solidify this possible connection in an effort to further capitalize of the success of FFVII (which seems a popular Squeenix business plan nowadays).

    In any case, whether it was originally intended or not, if the developers say it's there, it is.
     
  4. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    They are made from the same company..so yeah..I think your are reading into it! Living a Fantasy, I see.
     
  5. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Guys.... the CREATORS OF THE GAMES said that there is a link. At this point, it is there. If they MAKERS say so, then it has to be true because it is THEIR creation. How can you still argue about it if the MAKERS OF THE GAME say its true.
     
  6. lokisenna

    lokisenna New Member

    exactly!
    its not like FFX was created as just a different world of FF7
    it just happened to have enough similarities, the connection was established when...well ill post it next after I re-read, I dont like trying to remember..

    now please..if you dont read the whole thread at least read these few lines:

    the very creators have established this link
    fans may or may not have dreamed it up earlier
    BUT ITS CANON, meaning TRUE
    telling the very people who gave you the game that their wrong is...I cant even find a word to accurately describe the pure stubborn ridiculousness
     
  7. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    It is there game, if it is a link then it is. But again, Same Company, Same Team, Same Sh!t!

    Still FF kick ASS!
     
  8. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I never said that VII and X took place in the same world. In fact, I said that they did not. What I was pointing out is that the creators of VII added some references into the story when they created X (more specifically, X-2). The name Shinra is one obvious example of a tie between the games, but the idea of using the planet's energy as a power source was also used in both games. Different planets, same idea. That ties VII and X-2 together, just as the character Cid is a link between all of the FFs that include him. He's not the same Cid in every game, but he's still there, just like chocobos and Bahamut.

    This is the kind of link I see between the games, probably thrown in as a inside joke with the fans, or as a way to try and con VII fans into buying X-2. I agree with EbAl that this connection wasn't originally intended.
     
  9. Khthree

    Khthree Banned

    whoa whoa, wait a second Toph, i dont get what your saying, i think your saying 2 different things there. you said cus VII and X use the idea of "using a planet's energy as a power source ties them together" that makes them a link, but you then said because the whole FF series as a whole uses Cid, Chocobos, and Summons that they ties all FF games together?

    did you just mean that the power source thing makes VII and X in the same universe? or is it the same concept as the Cid, Chocos, and Summons being in ALL FFs make all FFs in the same universe? What i mean is that it sorta makes what you said mean that all FF are now in the same world universe? lolololol @.@
     
  10. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    VII and X are not in the same universe, unless someone has a link to canon that proves otherwise. BUT there are storyline elements that draw a connection between them. I honestly don't see why this is so hard for you to understand. I used Cid as another example. Cid is a character that exists in most FFs (V-XII that I can speak for, at least. And I imagine he's there in even earlier games). His existence doesn't put all of the games into the same universe. The name is simply a nod to longtime fans. The idea of drawing life energy from the planet was a major plot point of VII. As VII has the most rabid fans, I can see the developers reusing that plot point in X-2 (as well as the name Shinra), again as a nod to fans who've stuck with the series.

    No where in any of my posts have I stated that VII and X are in the same universe. I think you, khthree, need to reread some of these posts and wrap your head around what everyone is saying. It doesn't take a genius.
     
  11. Khthree

    Khthree Banned

    doesnt take a genius, but it takes one to know one? anyway, i dont think you completly got what i was saying in that post but forget it, but first of all ill say this, ive beat ALL the FF games, (even the original FFIII b4 the DS game), and Cid is also in II-IV, but not the first FF.

    but to my defense, i think you just debuffed your entire theory of think VII and X are related by saying, "there not in the same universe". i wasnt here to debate nostalgia in games so i dont need the Cid explanation, i was here to talk about the "Link" of VII and X which you just debuffed youre entire theory on anyway ~.o
     
  12. lokisenna

    lokisenna New Member

    I feel like the fact that the creators of the game solidly stated there was a link and went in-depth about it is being completely overlooked/ignored

    it would be wonderful to stop beating this dead horse in every post

    how about discussing what you don't like about them being related in such a way
    or how you like it, or your theories

    once more

    creators

    google the translations or buy the books

    you don't really have a basis of argument(not that you had one in the first place) when it came to this being a fact or not

    c'mon people @_@
     
  13. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Yeah, this debate has gone on to far. Seriously, the creators put in the Ultimania books a canon relationship between the two games. It exists. How about discussing it instead of trying to debunk the CREATORS of the game.
     
  14. It's possible that Spira is infact the world of FF7 in ancient times.
     
  15. Overdose

    Overdose Ninja.V

    This thread is months old and should be closed.

    My opinion is its just a featue which makes it Final Fantasy, no connection.
     

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