Debate: Ansem: Heartless or "Roaming Heart"?

1. CAUGHT YOU ON THE ACT! YOU call them roaming hearts. You are trying to make up a theory that does not exist and we are providing evidence that knocks it down. Nomura does not even states that roaming hearts exist, is an element, or have any usefulness at all. Hearts who are not in a original vessel are NOT roaming hearts. Why? Because hearts have that ability to merge with another heart or to be split into either to be the embodiment of the light or darkness. Also, hearts do not have the ability to take on the original appearance. They do not have that ability and you have made that one up. Also, hearts have the ability to have influence on anything that lives, which can create heartless when the hearts are captured and then the nobodies (Depending on how strong the heart and will was in order to make one) after the loss or corruption of the darkness. Hearts can also create the artificial Kingdom Hearts. This crosses out about Eraqus' and Kairi's heart wandering/roaming because this is one of the heart's abilities. You especially cannot say that Kairi was a roaming heart because Kairi's body still existed and was still intact even when it left her, putting her in a coma until Sora gives back her heart to her.. The same thing happened to Ventus. His body was still intact even when his heart resides in Sora, healing and being mended until it is ready to join back with the body while it sleeps.

2. Sora do not have to be whole with Roxas. He was already whole when Kairi used her powers to restore Sora. When Kairi did that, Sora regained his body, soul and heart. It may not be known if the other princesses of hearts can do this but in Kairi's case, she has the power to do this, showing that the heart do not really need to join back with the body and soul in order to be back into human form. This crosses out Sora being a roaming heart.

3. State of Suspension? Again, another theory that you are trying to make right. The heart does not wander, because like I said above, the heart has the ability to merge with another one. When a heartless is defeated, the heart is released and it can do one of these three: Go back and become one with the owner, make the artificial Kingdom Hearts (As shown by Organization XIII), or join with another heart.

4. Sora is still not a roaming heart. Roxas was his own being without a heart while Sora was his own being with a heart. However, the two are incomplete without each other, especially when Sora's memories was tampered with and Namine had to put Sora to sleep and that she needs Roxas to remember the memories so that the two can be together and to wake up Sora.

5. And you are still denying the fact that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, is a heartless. He has been created just like any other heartless: The heart was given in to darkness, consumed by it and made the heartless, and the heartless go on to capture other hearts and the heartless can also (Depending on the status of the heart) can order the commands of the other heartless, putting him at the very top. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, was not like the other heartless and was able to retain its selfhood of Xehanort the Apprentice because the heart was willingly given away. Ansem was also Master Xehanort's heartless.

6. No. I am not wrong on that one. Xehanort the Apprentice wrote those reports. Ansem the Wise said that he did only number one and the Secret Ansem Reports while Xehanort the Apprentice did all of the other reports. Common Knowledge.

7. What in the world are you talking about? Roxas and Namine are nobodies but special ones. So much evidence has been given on that one. As for the Ansem part, I have already stated above.

 

1. Figured out what it truly means by "Existence of the heart". What he meant by that is that he was experiencing himself becoming the combination of both the emblem and a pureblood. Since emblem heartless are the ones who captures the heart, that is what he meant by the sentence. He is not a roaming heart in there since he first gave his heart away willingly and since the darkness consumed it and he had a strong heart, he ended up gaining the powers of an emblem and a pureblood.

2. Hearts do merge. Trying to say engulf would mean the same as consume. To merge means to combine.

3. Now with Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, he already had a body and the heart with him. He was under that brown cloak for 9 years. Still doesn't make him a roaming heart. Riku's heart was too weak and since he let the darkness take over him, he was able to use Riku. Riku's heart and soul fought back for a little bit in order to give Kairi, Donald and Goofy a chance to escape. As for Terra and Master Xehanort, they were within Xehanort the Apprentice's body while they were struggling. It did not happen outside of the body. As for Kairi at Merlin's House, Sora was only seeing Kairi's heart playing within him to let him see only a illusion image of her that only he can see. And stop trying to say that Sora is included because he is not.

4. No. You are thinking about something else and it is clear. Hearts has a heavy influence on those that lives because it produces a heartless and, if possible, a nobody when captured, and it is also responsible for giving memories, emotions, a will, goals, and ambitions.

5. State of Suspension is not the term that you would like to use. Suspension means to be temporary abrogating or withholding or an interruption or revocation. This is not a good term for this situation since the body and heart are separate. The body is in a comatise state and stays that way until the heart comes back. This means that Kairi and Ventus when their hearts were separated does not mean that they were in some state of suspension. They were in a Coma. That is the correct word.

6. ??? Undo? Who says anything about undoing. Sora gained a new body and soul through Kairi. Roxas may be the body and soul but Sora had his very own body and soul through her light. Also, it does matter if you let the heart taken from darkness. Either it has been taken by force or was given up willingly, the person will still create a heartless.

 

Sense I've confirmed this a million tiimes.. about 2 years ago. I will say it again. KBL is correct.
Now I haven't read the rest of this thread, because I believe it is pointless to do so.
Destiny, you put up a valid argument, but my friend you are wrong

Sora and Xehanorts heartless (not call him ansem) are "special". You see, when Sora released his and Kairi's heart in the first KH, sora became a heartless, with the help of Kairi's PoH powers/or whatever, she was able to turn Sora back into a "human form", BUT, he had no body, sense Roxas was born in that very moment. As we know Roxas is a nobody, meaning he is made of a body. We can also say Roxas is Sora's nobody. Meaning Roxas had Sora's body..but no heart.. So where was Roxas' heart? It was Sora. Point Blank.

Same thing with Xehanort, Xehanort lost his heart (on purpose), but like the Ansem report says, he was able to keep his body (or so he thought), unlike most people who get turned into heartless, he kept in human form, and had all his emotions (which comes from the heart btw). Now at the moment Xehanort lost his heart, a nobody was born..Xemnas (ANSEM X). Which is Xehanort's nobody, and the "body" that Xehanort thought he had was really, him being a free heart.

 

Um....XD When did you say this 2 years ago? About Ansem's heartless or the roaming heart part?Anyways, while Destiny lost to you and Legacy, you still have me to convince because I have evidences where I do not believe that it can be just what you and Legacy states. I do agree that Legacy and Sora are unique and I still do not believe in roaming hearts unless it is, in exception, in either Ventus', Eraqus', Terra's, and Master Xehanort's case, which I still think they are not because of what I stated below.

This is almost the same thing that I had said, except the part about him not having a body. *Facepalm* We can go on and on and on and on about this and it will never end because really, I believe that Kairi's light gave Sora a body and soul of his own. I do believe that Roxas is Sora's body and soul but you cannot cross out evidence that Sora can have one of his own that is separate from the original (Which is Roxas).

As for Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, and Xemnas.... it feels as though we are agreeing or something. Meh. It is vague for me. Anyways, I will try to understand that you are trying to say that Xemnas is the body and soul while the heartless is the heart? Is that what you are trying to say?

While we are still on the subject, what will make Maleficent then? Her heart was being used by the darkness, yet she did not turn into a heartless. She came back as her own self and still orders the heartless. Would that put her in a different category like Ansem, Seeker of Darkness? Is she's a "roaming heart" too?

OH! As for Nicole, you are way off about Xehanort's heartless not showing emotions. Xemnas cannot truly show emotions but can only pretend like all nobodies because he do not have a heart and he can only have his memories to rely upon to express fake emotions. As for the heartless, he has a heart that can show it. I am stopping right there.

 

but that means nothing what either say cause they dont know the whole story of how he has come to be created but they only assume that he is a heartless

 

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