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Abortion

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by ansem the wise 59, Dec 10, 2007.

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    ü 30•05•2010

    Ireland does have an adoption system. But for those 6 latter months i wouldn't be able to attend school. Although there is no abortion here, i would probably abort the child. But for Me i won't get pregnant until im ready. Or i might adopt.

    1. That's very American. If it would take me 5-20 minutes to get home from wherever i am. Why call my parent's who are looking after my siblings/cooking/justbackfromwork, To collect me. That would be selfish to them and the environment. And i suppose selfishness is also a crime to you. What would you do then, shave me hair and make me pray for a month?

    2. And what if one wasn't to believe in god, or if they did not be religious? I suppose when you rule the world you'll make everyone strict catholic?

    3. I would tell them, 'When i was 16/17 i got pregnant. It was a very stupid mistake, but i couldn't have the child with the situation. I still love you, but at that time i couldn't deal with a preganacy or raising a child. You wouldn't forgive your mother? The women who suffered for 9 month's for you. Who raised and nurtured you? And you say the aborting women is selfish?
     
  2. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member


    See I believe parents should always consider the baby over themselves.

    1. Better safe than sorry. Your mom should gladly pick you up so you would be safe.

    2. Then they are wrong. People who don't believe in God go to hell, because they deny the one who created them. It does'nt matter if they believe in God or not, God's opinion is fact.

    3.Why should I? she killed my brother/sister.
     
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  3. WayToTheDawn

    WayToTheDawn New Member

    UHH How is someone wrong for not believing in God? I know who created me, and it definitely wasn't God man!

    From Wiki

    "An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified"

    How can opinion be fact, that would over-ride the idea of it being an opinion in the first place. God's word is not fact, because it is a faith system, it comes down to one's beliefs and opinion.

    Exactly why I hate Theistic religions
     
  4. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    With the time not being able to attend school, I'll admit that the system is faulty and needs to be fixed. Although at my school I recall seeing a student who was pregnant. She still went to school. And I do wonder why alot of people aren't like you, thinking that they won't get pregnant until they're ready. Of course, sometimes they get pregnate on accident. Which goes back to my whole view on selfishness. They understand that they could get pregnate. But they do it anyways. And if they did it for pleasure, they did it for themselves. It just seems to me that everybody seems to be getting more and more irresponsible as the years pass. It's really depressing.

    I wouldn't say that statement is completely true. Take where I live for example. My little town is on a mountain. And I live at least a mile away from the center of town. And my house is uphill from there. Of course, my parents get home from work some time after my school ends. And I can legally drive now, so I don't really have to worry about things like this.

    Because God is an all knowing and all powerful being. Basically, God created everything (I know that not everybody believes in God. I'm saying this if it is 100% sure God does exist. I believe he does, but that's me.). Don't you think that the being that created all of existance basically says what is fact because he made it so?
     
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    ü 30•05•2010

    1. I say she would. But when you rule the world you should also have a law agaisn't driving short distances(like 2-3 miles) As to save the environment. The punishment should be 'getting stripped naked and put into a audience of 9th grader's'

    2. GOD's OPINION IS FACT? God is an opinion. There is no evidence to say he is real? So therefore all his laws and 'fact's' are opinion.

    3.Because she gave birth and has so far put up with a horrendis person like yourself. She suffered and may still be suffering for you. She goes out of her way to help you. And she probably loves you. And you say not forgiving her is right? Your a selfish spoilt child.
     
  6. WayToTheDawn

    WayToTheDawn New Member

    "Flourishing In Our Disgrace
    Blessed Be The Human Way"

    That's humanity. But yeah, people these days just use their kids as a life support, they get pregnant, then claim off the state for what their kids can get. They probably couldn't give an honest fuck about their kids. It's really disgusting and a wicked approach towards living. But hey, we're here for a reason.
     
  7. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    1. It is not going to kill the enviroment to drive a couple of miles.

    2. No, God is real and if you don't believe in him then you will go to hell.

    3. So if your mom had an abortion, you would not care about the brother/sister she killed? That's heartless. If I got someone pregnant and they had an abortion then I could never forgive that person cause they killed my baby. I mean if I got a woman then I would ask her to give me the baby, I will sacrifice my happiness and my life for that child because I love it.
     
  8. WayToTheDawn

    WayToTheDawn New Member

    To each their own, but don't try and merge fact with opinion. I respect the fact that you believe in a God. No, I don't think the thing that created all of existence says what is fact, cause whatever or whoever that thing may be, comes down to belief. So, it's still not a fact

    Proof plz....
     
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    ü 30•05•2010

    1. Yes it is? The power of one? Ring a bell? (Of course not, typical american. You'd drive upstairs if you could.)

    2. Never said he wasn't real? But i don't belive all of his 'opinion's' Which he told you last time you chatted are fact.

    3. I would think about that child. but i wouldn't hold it agains't my mother. As she probably would've had a reason to do it. After all, how could i not forgive the person who gave me everything. Who gave me life?
     
  10. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    That's a little too far. Especially since you believe in God, you can't say anybody will for sure go to Heaven or Hell. We don't know what happens right after they die. Like for me, I think I'd probably go to Hell after I die. But I can't be certain. I might get lucky, or (from another belief's perspective) my belief on God and everything could be wrong and nothing happens when I die, or I get reincarnated. That's not to say my belief is wrong. It's just to say we don't know if it's right or wrong.
     
  11. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    1. Look, I think we should have electric cars but I will pick my child up from school to prevent her from being raped long before I worry about the enviroment.

    2. If God says something then it is fact, because he is God and everything God says is fact.

    3. But how could you ever have the same relationship with your mom. If I knew my mom did that then I would avoid her and stay away from her. I could'nt stand her anymore. I would probably consider suicide, because of the fact that I was the child who lived when it should have been the other kid. I would feel guilty for living when that baby did not even have the chance.
     
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    ü 30•05•2010

    1. Kinda hypocritical.

    2. But what if someone doesn't believe in god? That makes it non factual. Really its just an opinion based on ethics and culture.

    3. Yes i could. Or i would be closer to her knowing what she went through.

    And suicide? Even more selfish. Your mother will be left without a child. And also hypocritical. I thought life was precious. and god's against suicide? Does that mean hell for you?
     
  13. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Doesn't everybody love stereotypes? I truly doubt there is a single person who would drive upstairs if they could.

    And actually, there's alot of people in America who are rather conscientious about the environment. Heck, one of my friends talks alot about Global Warming and what we should do to stop it. Of course, as a joke, I point to the snow on the ground and say that's Global Warming at work.
     
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    ü 30•05•2010

    Nobody loves stereotype's. I was exaggerating to prove a point(or make one?)
     
  15. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    But based on your comments of how American's act with driving and not caring about the environment, that's stereotyping. You might not have meant to do it, but you still did.

    And the comment on everybody loving stereotypes, it was meant as a joke. That's the problem with internet conversations; you can't hear the way somebody says something. Sounds strange, but if I was to hear somebody say a comment one way, opposed to reading it on the internet, I might think something different about what the person meant.
     
  16. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    1. How so?

    2. Your not uderstanding me. God, if he came down from heaven right now and said infront of the whole world that abortion was wrong then it would be a fact because God said it.

    3. Well why should I live? My brother/sister was killed because my mom did'nt want them. But she wanted me, so that makes me a bad person cause I am living the life my brother/sister should have had. My life was not meant for me it was meant for my brother/sister and I am just a mistake that should be whiped from existence. If I went to hell because of it then I suppose that is what I deserve because I should not have lived the life of my brother/sister.
     
  17. WayToTheDawn

    WayToTheDawn New Member

    Nope :D Sorry to disappoint you



    WTF, so your saying you'd hate your Mom for killing the baby, then you'd kill yourself? That makes no sense whatsoever
     
  18. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    God is the creator of everything, he knows everything, so if he says something then it is fact.





    Why should I live when my brother/sister never had the chance?
     
  19. WayToTheDawn

    WayToTheDawn New Member

    Ok then, then God thinks your a foolish person :D






    Why should we all live when the exploited people who put the clothes on our back never had a chance to live? Life exists where life is depleted, just be glad your alive and not chained to a sewing machine
     
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    ü 30•05•2010

    Maybe because you have the chance to live? Your REALLY hypocritical when it comes down to it. I thought you were religious? That god's gift of life was precious?

    Who created god then? Ask yourself that. Because there's no answer. And where's your evidence that gods even there. (BTW. i believe in god, although im in no way religious)
     

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