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Should Blasphemy be Illegal?

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Reprise, Jan 6, 2013.

  1. Reprise

    Reprise Semi-present

    I believe the title is quite self-explanatory. Should it be made a crime to openly disrespect a deity or religion? What are your views?
     
  2. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I don't think it should be illegal. I take my freedom of speech seriously and to make that illegal would set a bad precedent. If this were to go into effect, what would be the next thing the government decides we can't speak up about?

    Of course, that doesn't mean it's not a douchey thing to do. But I think we should be able to do it if we want.
     
  3. xxxJRosesxxx

    xxxJRosesxxx New Member

    No, most definitely it shouldn't be illegal to openly be disrespectful to any religion. Especially since the term blasphemy can mean a number of things considered disrespectful, like simply practicing a different religion or having no religion at all. Hell, people who are devote have been accused of blasphemy simply because they didn't follow the religion exactly the way authorities wanted them to.

    People have the right to speak their minds and practice whatever beliefs they may have, as long as no one is harmed. When I say harmed, I mean physically or mentally (like brainwashed, or psychological tortured), not someone simply being offended. The only time a religious practice should be illegal is if the beliefs are used to justify something like honor killings, circumcision on little girls, rape, murder in general, and domestic abuse. Anything involving legal consenting adults doesn't concern me, and I feel it shouldn't concern anyone else.
     
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  4. Reprise

    Reprise Semi-present

    I completely agree with all that has been said here; I was simply curious as to what everyone else thought. But JRose, what I meant by blasphemy was the act of insulting a religion. Otherwise, we would all be blasphemous.
     
  5. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    The problem with something like this is that "disrespect to a deity or religion" could mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people, and how are we going to decide what is acceptable and what is not?

    I was going to try and play devil's advocate a bit, but I honestly can't come up with any examples of when I'd find a law like this acceptable. It's not like it's actually promoting acceptance or tolerance- people are still going to feel how they feel about other religions, whether or not they're allowed to speak their minds about it. Not wanting to offend people isn't a good enough reason to take rights away.
     
  6. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    First off, how do someone knows that you are actually blaspheming? If you ask me, I think it is ok to tell someone off that they are wrong, especially since the actions that they are showing can contradict that. I mean, really. We are told not to marry our sisters and yet, here we see Zeus marrying his so should we say that is right and that it is ok to "Do As the Romans Do"?

    All of us are called to expose what we know is not right. Yes. That means those in Christianity too. however, the only thing that you will suffer from is getting angry looks and have rumors spread around about you. Hurt people's feelings? So what? Screw that. "The truth will MAKE you free"... for those who really want to accept it anyways.

    And as for insulting another religion, oh well. Religion is crap. Some people of the Islamic religion going "ALLAH!" and wanting to kill people and then there's that fight against Israel two months ago. Then there's Atheists not believing that there is no Creator who loves them and will knock down every religious attempt who will try to convert them and the list goes on and on. All of us, whether we want to tell the truth, is mad and want to get back at them, feel superior over someone else because we use religion as pride, whatever the cause may be may hurt someone's emotions and that in turn will be seen as insults.
     
  7. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Times were different when the ancient Greeks and Romans worshipped these deities. I don't know what exactly the ancient Greeks and Romans thought about incest, but it's not like it's unheard of, particularly in the past in monarchies in order to preserve bloodlines.

    I suppose the reason for this sort of law would be to try and protect people's rights to religion- that no one has to be made to feel ashamed of what they believe in by anyone else. But doing that by not permitting free speech is sacrificing one right for another, which seems stupid to me.

    And really, I don't see why anyone should care what anyone else says about their religion. If your belief is sound, I don't see why you would need to concern yourself with detractors.
     
  8. Reprise

    Reprise Semi-present

    Is there anything wrong with Atheists rejecting religious attempts to try to convert them? Atheists aren't shapable moulds; they're simply people who have chosen to believe that there is no higher power. I agree, though, that religion is illogical. Wouldn't it be much more simple if there were only three types of people: people who believe in the Creator, people who don't and people who accept that they will never know if there is a God until they die?

    As for the Zeus point, it's different in that Zeus was a God, so presumably, his offspring wouldn't be born with any defects caused by Zeus reproducing with his sister. And also, did Adam and Eve in Christianity not have children? And didn't their children also have children? Times have changed, and things that were probably acceptable when there were only a few people in the world are no longer acceptable.
     
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  9. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I haven't posted yet. Hm. I don't necessarily think it should be illegalize. But I don't necessarily think you should be able to say whatever you want, whenever you want or in this case 'do'. Silent protest or whatever but the over the top things like burning a Bible, Quran, or a Laozi statue. I think nobody should disrespect anothers religion like that. Maybe a fine would be better than making it illegal.

    I wouldn't say no longer.

    On the topic of incest, it would seem. It's still acceptable in countries even America most noticeably 1st cousin marriages. I wouldn't be surprised if we were to allow immediate family marriages in the years to come.
     
  10. Reprise

    Reprise Semi-present

    I doubt that family marriages would ever be legalised due to the increased rate of birth defects in babies who are the offspring of two immediate family members. Yes, a fine would be logical for extreme actions such as burning religious items.
     
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  11. xxxJRosesxxx

    xxxJRosesxxx New Member

    I disagree that people should be fined, I don't think any government action should be done. Especially if you consider that when someone destroys something like a Bible or an American Flag, they had to pay for that in order for it to be in their possession. Therefore it is their property, and I believe people have the right to do what they want with their own property. I own my own bible that I write notes in when I find some text I find ethically reprehensible or contradicts another passage. Granted I don't do this publicly, I do it in the privacy of my home.

    Don't misunderstand, I wouldn't personally go out of my way to destroy religious symbols because its spiteful, and does nothing except anger and hurt others.
     
  12. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I think your wrong then! ^_^

    Well if you want to believe that every person receives things by a legal and uncoincidental mean then yes. They would have to buy one.

    About the issue of burning/destroying a flag or bible. In this country, we have the freedom of religious to express ones religion, not to follow a religion, or to switch ones religion. Disrepecting someone's religion in such a matter as this; I believe to be a form of persecution. And persecution in my opinion is contrary to the right to religion.

    Really! It doesn't matter to me whether its your property or not. To buy something then to burn it to make a statement against a religion is again dumb. Like I said, I don't think its okay to do whatever you want just because you have the capability of doing it. A 'fine' isn't really something serious. It'll just discourage some from doing it such as littering. Whatever you want to do in the privacy of your own home is perfectly fine, in most cases. But to deliberately cause an uproar for the point of saying 'f you', shouldn't be done thus I believe must have a repercussion of some sorts.

    A fine is the most lenient in my opinion. Maybe a higher action should be taken but I can personally settle for a fine.


    I just think if you give people too much freedom. They begin to abuse it. Likewise with the government.
     
  13. Reprise

    Reprise Semi-present

    What if I bought a life-sized cardboard cut out of Nelson Mandela and cut it to pieces or burned it in public? Whether it's my property or not, doing something like that just to provoke people, in my opinion, deserves a fine. It could even be interpreted as racism.

    I think taking notes of contradictory passages in the Bible is a brilliant idea, and something that I've done mentally quite a few times. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing something like that, but there's certainly a difference in that you're not taking notes with the intention of causing controversy or uproar.
     
  14. Fullmetal

    Fullmetal New Member

    No, no, no. This is one of the most horrible law ideas I've ever heard. It wouldn't pass, anyway. Blasphemy is freedom of speech. Next, how do you define blasphemy? Is blasphemy speaking out against God in public? Or is it saying "God d***it"? By definition, blasphemy is both of those things. How many times do you say "Oh my God" a day? That's how many times you've been a blasphemer if you were to use the Bible's teachings and the definition of blasphemy literally.
     
  15. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I love when people play 'it's freedom of speech' card. Freedom of Speech is not absolute neither should it ever be. There are restrictions on what you can say and do so don't think that its absurd a legislation could be passed regarding Blasphemy to a degree.

    That's exactly what it is. A white lie is still lying. Stealing a paper clip is still stealing. Get it! There's petty and there's extreme.
     
  16. Reprise

    Reprise Semi-present

    Freedom of speech? Racist speeches, extremist speeches and sexist speeches: they're all just speech, but laws against them aren't so ridiculous, are they? Because they are done with the intent of stirring hate and discriminating. I think Angel's summed up that point quite nicely.

    Angel, are you trying to say that saying 'oh God' should be fine-worthy? I disagree, as it's generally not said with malice, so hardly anyone takes any notice of it.
     
  17. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    No! That would idiotic. You can't regulate that anyway.

    Petty things such as a white lies, stealing a paperclip, or saying "Oh God" is nothing to truly bark over or even remotely try to outlaw or prohibit. I was just saying although stealing is stealing. There's a remotely acceptable type and an unacceptable one.
     
  18. xxxJRosesxxx

    xxxJRosesxxx New Member

    I try to be aware of why, who, what, when, and where someone would do things like that, trying to understand the motivation and the person before the decision to punish them is concluded. I remember being a bitter fourteen year old girl angry at my religious father and disappointed in Christianity overall, as a result I did some acting out that I'm not proud of.

    Some of the people that do horrible things within legal bounds like the Westboro Baptist Church, are people I pity more than I detest (especially I found out they're a huge family that were all brainwashed as children). Probably because also when I was fourteen my group of friends and I were bordering on cult behavior, so I tend to empathize with people in similar situations.

    I don't know, I just wear my heart on my sleeve and I don't like to condemn people before I understand them better. I don't think I can sway you, but could show you where I'm coming from.
     
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  19. Fullmetal

    Fullmetal New Member

    Oh, wow. Freedom of speech card? I can't take you seriously right now. Legit. What the hell is the Bill Of Rights for if we have no freedom of speech? You'll be regretting saying that when s*** laws like these are passed and you have NO rights whatsoever and the government controls all the daily aspects of your life.
     
  20. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    @JRose
    Truly, I don't pity people. Everyone has their own story and people cope different ways. But no amount of turmoil can excuse a person from doing this or doing that. I think; we use 'mental disorders' and 'self defense' as a crutch sometimes. Not saying that people who have their hand forced should be punished to the full extent of the law but sympathizing with people can lead to misjudgment.

    EDIT: It seems more of a personal thing for you then to try and respect everyones' rights.

    Yes, it's that little crutch you use for everything to try to excuse ignorance.

    I didn't ask you too.

    What are you talking about? I did't say we had 'no freedom of speech'.

    Slow down Mr.Autocracy. Let me enlighten you.

    I really don't know where you have been all your life or what your status is with the outside word. But your freedom of speech is restricted. Censorship, harassment, copyright, anti-bulling legislation all of which restricts freedom of speech.

    It's very naive to think you can say anything you want and get away with it.
     
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