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My unbirth Theory

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep' started by Twilight Keyblade, Mar 24, 2009.

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  1. Mar 24, 2009 #1
    Twilight Keyblade

    Twilight Keyblade Guest

    Nomura has stated in the past that the unbirths are connected to the heartless some how and that they are a starting point for the hearless.

    Recently I was playing KH1 and Xehanort's Heartless spoke of how hearts are Born from the darkness.

    So if hearts are born then at one point they must be unborn, right? Now if a heart over flowing with darkness creates a heartless then what happens when an unborn heart is taken by the darkness? If the unborn born hearts are taken by darkness then they would not create a heartless like a regular heart, the unborn hearts would create an unborn heartless. Basically the unbirths.

    So just like a fetus/embryo is the starting point of a human, the unbirths are the starting point for the heartless.
     
  2. Mar 25, 2009 #2
    demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    This could very well be possible.
     
  3. Mar 25, 2009 #3
    Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Yes.

    Yep...

    I dont understand heartless are the darkness within the heart shrouding it. You say a unborn heart is taken by the darkness why does a unborn heart needs to be taken by the darkness if Ansem SoD says their born in darkness also why taken by darkness when darkness is already within the heart.
    Your theory is a little redundant that your saying an unborn heart taken by darkness is an unbirth. But If a heart isnt formed yet how can it be captive by the darkness. Last but not least if this were to be true. Why would the unbirths be exstinct. Hearts are still being created and darkness is eternal so why would they just disappear. Also how does this gives true meaning the name unbirths.
     
  4. Mar 25, 2009 #4
    The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    I think you might be overthinking it a little, the whole fetus comparison is a lttle sketchy.
     
  5. Mar 25, 2009 #5
    Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I'll say their somewhat on a right track. With the whole hearts are born in darkness thing.
     
  6. Mar 25, 2009 #6
    Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Sorry my computer double posted.
     
  7. Mar 27, 2009 #7
    demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    Mabey I can help explain Twiligth's theory.

    If a heart is unborn then it would be lacking somethings of a normal heart. I will explain this in the following list:

    A human heart/A heart that has been born:

    1. A human heart would contain memories
    2. A human heart can give off emotion
    3. A human heart contains both light and dark.

    An unborn Heart:

    1. An unborn heart would have no memories because it has never experienced anything to give it memories
    2. Since an unborn heart is not in a human the heart cannot feel or give off emotion.
    3. An unborn heart contains no light or dark as a person is the one that creates the dark and light in the heart.

    So basically an unborn heart would be empty.

    Heartless are made when a human/born heart is consumed by darkness. An unbirth would be made when an unborn heart is consumed by darkness. Both kinds of hearts go through the same process but because of the differences between an unborn heart and a human/born heart the result is different.
     
  8. Mar 28, 2009 #8
    Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    It seems redundant to me that the unbirths are hearts and the heartless is also. Unbirth is giving true meaning to the word but unborn hearts doesnt seem to fit. Even so unborn hearts would still create unbirths in kingdom hearts.
     
  9. Mar 30, 2009 #9
    The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    Yea, this seems a little bit of a farcry from what nomura means by "unbirth". One reason is that, how many unborn hearts are their really going to be. And, Demon of Darkness, they dont have to be human, but i know what you mean. But it was a good effort.
     
  10. Apr 3, 2009 #10
    Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I see the unbirths leaning towards being whole beings or the soul.
     
  11. Apr 3, 2009 #11
    Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Heartless oppose Hearts
    Nobodies oppose Bodies
    Unbirths oppose... Birth?

    It seems that unbirths are the opposite of existance, and are possibly formed from pure darkness until they are completely destroyed, and the diffusion of unbirths darkness creates Heartless and Nobodies.
     
  12. Apr 3, 2009 #12
    Twilight Keyblade

    Twilight Keyblade Guest

    I just had a great idea but I will post it later.
     
  13. Apr 4, 2009 #13
    Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Fixed

    Xehanort created the heartless and nobodies.

    Ah....Man.
     
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