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Memories

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories' started by Waterfall17, Aug 28, 2008.

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  1. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    In all of the KH series, though especially with CoM and up, there is a huge emphasis placed on "memories". Are memories important to you? Do they mean something?

    The creators of the game (mainly Tetsuya Nomura) had a point in placing so much emphasis on them; all of the references weren't put in there for no apparent reason. I want to figure out what it is.
     
  2. LDC1121

    LDC1121 New Member

    I think good memories are important to me. I think that the Kingdom Hearts games put so much emphasis on memories because memories are a fragile thing. They can easily be forgotten or remembered clearly, but that doesn't change the fact that those moments happened, those moments still exist somewhere in our hearts even if we don't realize it. That's what I think Tetsyua Nomura was trying to depict in Chain of Memories and a little in KH2. : )
     
  3. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Memories also help you grow on the inside. And if they are good memories, they make you feel all warm and fuzzy.
     
  4. Nobody13

    Nobody13 New Member

    yea theres a lot about memories... i also noticed they say imbeciles (sp?) alot... can tht mean something?
     
  5. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    Huh. I dunno; I never really thought about it, Nobody13. Thanks for all of the great answers so far!

    I also *happen* to have a few more...

    So, good or bad (because some memories that are bad do aid in growth), memories are considered important to an extent because they aid in growth; memories allow you to learn. What about in terms of friendship?

    Whew. I'm going to have to take this one question at a time if this is going to be comprehensive at all.... :D
     
  6. rikuchie

    rikuchie New Member

    memories are importent cos we can't remember anything if we don't have one
     
  7. Kyuu

    Kyuu your worst nightmare.

    That was good said. I agree with Leah. -^^-
     
  8. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    Those moments still exist somewhere in our hearts even if we don't realize it...very well said. I assure you, we won't get off topic, because this is the topic... do you think that there is a correlation between either the heart and the spirit, or the heart and the soul? Why?

    In addition, I just want to know what you think about the concept of the heart in general as it pertains to the game; why is a heart so important?
     
  9. LDC1121

    LDC1121 New Member

    I think that hearts are so important in these games because your heart makes up the type of person you are. If you have a good heart, you're a good person, and if you have a bad heart then you're a bad person. Then there are the unfortunate people who don't have hearts, so they feel like they don't know who they are. I think that's mainly shown in KH2, with the Org. 13 members. They're not really good nor completely evil, they're just those without hearts.
     
  10. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    So what does the heart correlate to? I think that FF (and perhaps disney, although we all know that FF is the real brains behind nearly this entire operation) has attempted to make a direct connection between the heart in that world and the heart in this one, but I'm not sure. If so, the only things that have made sense thus far (in a metaphorical sense): the correlation between the heart and the spirit, OR the correlation between the heart and the soul. What do you think?
     
  11. LDC1121

    LDC1121 New Member

    Honestly I believe that the spirit and soul are the same thing, just with two different names. Both are just another way of saying the essence of ourselves and who we really are, like when people say that when someone dies they are not really gone because their spirit or soul lives forever. And the heart controls what kind of soul or spirit you have: good or evil. But that's just my opinion.
     
  12. Chocobo Dyl

    Chocobo Dyl New Member

    You say that there is a difference between the heart in KH and the real world,there isn't or at least in my opinion,the heart mentioned in KH is not a physical thing,it's a mental thing it is not materialistic,it's more like a place (not real of course) that contains memories.Therefore the heart makes you who you are.As for the soul,it sounds like it is the heart.
     
  13. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    Huh. The heart as a place that contains memories...I think you're on to something. And same goes for the heart being the essence of ourselves.

    My turn, I guess, for explanation:
    The human being is composed of three essential components: body, soul, and spirit. The outermost part is (obviously) the body. The body acts as the container, in a sense, of the soul and the spirit. The soul, inside the body, also has three components: mind, will, and emotions. Thus, having a soul enables us to feel, think-the ability to rationalize/comprehend mentally, and choose-the ability to make decisions and whatnot. Finally, the innermost core of our being, the spirit , also has three subparts. (I sadly don't recall what they are...oops) The spirit is the innermost core of the soul, and this is perhaps why it becomes difficult to distinguish; however, there is at least one very large distinguishing factor: while demons may be inside the soul, they cannot enter the spirit. (Note that the spirit and the soul are different; and yet they are somehow seemingly inseparable. It's complicated, and obviously I don't know everything, and neither does anyone else. The heart is, then, a bit of a mystery...) The heart is often referred to as the spirit, considering its position as the innermost part/core.

    So, in having presented this, do you see a problem with the metaphor in KH II (if there really is one at all)? Nobodies have a soul and a body, yet they can't feel. At the same time, however, one of the functions of the soul is the ability to feel. Thus, I feel that I am missing something in the correlation, which leads me to think that I have either picked the wrong correlation, or that I have missed another point that the creators of the game have been trying to make...

    The members of Organization XIII want to be whole. If the heart correlates to feeling (because when they had hearts, they could feel, and they remember-for the most part-what it was like to have a heart, to feel), does that mean that they've really been missing something else all along?...I don't really know how to explain what I'm trying to get at (I apologize). Any thoughts, though?
     
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  14. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    Here's what I beleive. The soul is what gives life. The heart is what gives us our emotions and it is where our most precious memories are stored. The spirit is our determenation and our will. The mind is what lets us control our body. The body is merely a shell that holds everything else within.
     
  15. worbs

    worbs New Member

    memories are important as they define what you are.
     
  16. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    It seems like your heart defines who you are, because important memories are stored in your heart.
     
  17. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    These are some really great answers! Certainly a thought provoking topic. So I guess the next step is morals. The quality of "goodness" is expressed as at least somewhat desirable in the game series because Riku Replica calls Sora a good person. He would not have said this if some sort of moral conflict didn't exist...oh boy. This could take some time to formulate...
     
  18. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    If a memory was to take form then it would be a remnant of it's former self. A part of someone who was not meant to be born, an unbirth.
     
  19. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    The dots are beginning to connect themselves, thanks to your answers. There are still more dots to find, however...
     
  20. Chocobo Dyl

    Chocobo Dyl New Member

    yeah,I'm giving you rep for this it's really opening my mind.So what I'm going to do is something else,I'm going to think of a baby,a baby cannot defie itself with memories as it barely has any. As soon as we become about 2 we ca start to remember,if you were abused as a baby you will remember and grow to be a darker person and will have what many would say "negative" traits. If you were spilt you will grow to want everything your way....so on and so forth.

    So how does a baby feel,I cannot remember anything about being a baby and so it is possible that as a baby you do not remember easily,like trying to teach a stubborn dog to do tricks. We know a baby does feel,it cries *mostly for hunger but there is sadness and happiness.) I put this down to the heart,a place that allows you to feel without thinking.
     
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