Melee vs. Brawl

EtherealSummoner · Apr 7, 2012

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Super Smash Brawl has been known to players as one of the best game to be a part of the Super Smash series and to be "one of the very best games ever to be produced". Known to be one of the best and fastest sellers, hitting number one on the sale charts, having a dominant power to say fun and active, and to be "finely tuned". However, is Brawl better than Melee? One from IGN says that it suffers from "Long loading time and uninteresting enemies" while another from Gameworld Network says that it lacks "stat tracking and a lag free environment". One person a couple of weeks ago stated and was wondering about the future installments of the Super Smash series and brought the attention about whether the competitive between Brawl and Melee is significant. The author of the article is more worry as to whether the next series will become less competitive. there are a few that the author had informed about the techniques that were in Melee that made the series more challenging had been removed from Brawl, Wave Dashing and L cancelling.

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Another issue that is known is that the characters are unbalanced. Brawl is more focus on picking character counters than Melee and that MetaKnight is too overpowered that he is immediately ban from tournaments on the Smash Bros. community. Another problem is tripping even if your attack has a trip rate of 0%, coming back to the stage easier than it is in Melee and that all characters fall at a more similar rate.

The biggest issue is King Dedede's most famous chain grab to the wall, which only ban some stages in competitive play when it comes to King Dedede. If you do not believe this, then do believe the quotes from the creator of the Super Smash Bros. series, Masahiro Sakurai.

"On a personal level, Melee had an extremely grueling development cycle," Sakurai wrote. "Some of my other games did, too, but Melee sticks out far ahead of the pack in my mind. I worked on that game for 13 months straight, after all, without a single Sunday or holiday off that whole time. During parts of it, I was living a really destructive lifestyle -- I'd work for over 40 hours in a row, then go back home to sleep for four."
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"Melee is the sharpest game in the series," he wrote. "It's pretty speedy all around and asks a lot of your coordination skills. Fans of the first Smash Bros. got into it quickly, and it just felt really good to play."
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However, he has one particularly deep regret: the game's accessibility level. "I had created Smash Bros. to be my response to how hardcore-exclusive the fighting game genre had become over the years," Sakurai said. "But why did I target it so squarely toward people well-versed in videogames, then? That's why I tried to aim for more of a happy medium with Brawl's play balance. There are three Smash Bros. games out now, but even if I ever had a chance at another one, I doubt we'll ever see one that's as geared toward hardcore gamers as Melee was. Melee fans who played deep into the game without any problems might have trouble understanding this, but Melee was just too difficult."

Accessibility has always been a watchword in Sakurai's design style, and there's little doubt he learned a lot from the Melee development experience. "If we want new people from this generation of gamers to come in," he concluded, "then we need it accessible, simple, and playable by anyone. You can't let yourself get preoccupied with nothing but gameplay and balance details. That's where the core of the Smash Bros. concept lies, not on doggedly keeping the game the way it was before."
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One of Super Smash Bros best player, Mew2King, also has something to say about the game.

yes, i am saying just that, that brawl IS highly luck compared to melee

trading hits, random air dodge to the ground with no landing lag, random tripping, which can happen during DDD chain grabs, air tripping as well, there's tons more luck in brawl than there is in melee, and far less guaranteed things. You don't anticipate the moves of noobs, they do random things, in melee you just rape them by being better, but if they are a campy noob, they can still do decent by just being a shield camping ***got. Melee has infinite room for improvement, without even needing to play gay. Brawl, if you play gay and boring, you have a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger advantage, and that's extremely boring and retarded. Lack of things you can master makes the game less fun with less replay value, which are things melee offered to a huge extreme.

You can do things randomly and not get punished for it nearly as bad as you would in melee, and that's a downgrade for competitive potential, where the best player isn't as guaranteed to win, especially in 3 stock matches. You suicide once it's over, in melee comebacks were easy cuz of death combos and stuff, brawl is more leveled out for the little kiddies, and that's more unfair for the better players. All the advanced tactics aren't hard to do, like shield cancel, it just takes getting used to, and it's extremely shallow, anyone can do it, and it's also really really really campy and that makes the game not fun. Brawl wasn't designed to be competitive, Sakurai did this on purpose, stop trying to make it competitive. Actually, that's what I'm trying to do, but it's not working, so just go back to melee, everyone's fine with that.

I don't want to argue about this, NOTHING anyone says will change or persuade my opinion at ALL unless I convince myself that with my own observations which hasn't even become semi close to happening. I'll play brawl cuz everyone else is, that's the only reason.

Blind predictions are the perfect way to describe the game.
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So, what are your thoughts on this?

Haresuno · Apr 7, 2012

Have to get my shuffle-wave dash-n+air going.

EtherealSummoner · Apr 7, 2012

In all honesty, I am quite upset as to how they change Zelda even though her attacks got stronger. They make her transformation longer, which can be predictable and allow someone to just stand there and to throw a Smash attack on me. They also made her aerials weaker on her non-sweetspotted attacks. Not only that, I love Zelda for her hitstun ability and since they have significantly decrease the power of hitstun, I have to end up going defense most of the time and this make all true combos almost extinct. There were some changes that I was ok with but then there were some where I am saying to myself, "Ok. Now I will just have to end up using Peach some more."

Answer Man · Apr 8, 2012

Link, Mario, Samus, Kirby, and Pickachu are still my best, I hate how dumbed down brawl is but i still love it. Grapichs were hard core, the story line was pretty fun, the big air ship battle was crazy cool, and playin with sonic is just way past cool!(Gotta love the comics) I hate how they made Marth weaker but i love how they increased Pikachus power and the other pokemon. Mario and Lugi were still good simple fighters for anyone but they made Link slower, unless you had toon link. I just hope the next one is more like Melee but has Brawl also. More people to fight with, another fun story line, maybe have an open world mode?? And harder special stages~

EtherealSummoner · Apr 9, 2012

See, it was ok when the company had Brawl more suited for Adventure mode but since Adventure mode allows more than 1 player mode, this is just a little bit more screwy. Most of us would rather want to fight each other and to compete. Mario himself has suffered from Brawl such as the removal of his Mario tornado and they gave him less options. AND THEY WENT AND COMPLETELY NERFED MY BELOVED JIGGLYPUFF! Why in the world would you do that?! You made her Rest attack weaker, and then you make it harder for her to use the effectiveness of hitstun and to combo. There are some nerfs that were not meant to be.

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Melee vs. Brawl

Which game is Better?

Melee

Brawl

Doesn't matter. Both.

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