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Did Ven become an Unbirth?

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep' started by PaintedDragon, Jun 14, 2009.

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  1. PaintedDragon

    PaintedDragon New Member

    With all the various confusing Ven/Roxas connection theories out there, I decided to come up with one of my own. Be warned, it is no less confusing, I'm not even sure it makes sense to me.

    As I've said before, in a scene of BBS Ven is seen asking someone to 'erase' him. So what does it mean to be erased? I've heard people say that BBS could be all data, but what if he means to erase him by turning him into an Unbirth? And why would he want to be erased in the first place? Anyway, this brings up the question of what an Unbirth really is.

    Personally, I think it could be that when someone is turned into an Unbirth, however that may happen, they literally become "unborn." It's as if they never existed. So, if that's the case, couldn't they come back as a whole new person? In Ven's case, Roxas.
     
  2. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Erasing still happens in present KH.
     
  3. PaintedDragon

    PaintedDragon New Member

    True, but where do those who've been erased go?
     
  4. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    plus nobodys already don't exist.
     
  5. PaintedDragon

    PaintedDragon New Member

    No, but in the FUTURE they do. The next-life thing *poke poke*
     
  6. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    :/ another one, wish people would stop it till we atleast get more info on what an unbirth is or why he said it, but hey go for it bud.

    He is asking aqua

    That is a stupid theory, when its confirmed to be 10 years prior to KH, how would it be data.

    He wants Aqua to turn him into a Unbirth, i doubt that, and Im pretty sure that somone can turn another into an Unbirth,

    Because MX could have like psyched him out, or he could be going crazy and forgeting things, not knowing who he was, like Roxas.

    who knows

    To strengthen you argument, even though i hate the unborn part, When someone with a strong heart dies, there heart or soul/ or both remains and gets consumed by darkness, meaning they have no body, so the are unborn.

    Roxas and Ven are two different people, Roxas just stole vens face :D
     
  7. PaintedDragon

    PaintedDragon New Member

    Uh.....wow. Thanks for being so thorough. X)
     
  8. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    :D its what i do, atleast you didn't take it personally
     
  9. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    Ven asked Terra to erase him probably because, and this is something I heard so don't hold it against me, Ven was like losing his memories.
     
  10. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Ven asked AQUA to erase him. I Don't Like memory thing, plus we don't know the game isn't released.
     
  11. VentusSearcher

    VentusSearcher Steam is the only way....

    i think when people are erased they become a an unbirth
    so i think he deffinetly is
     
  12. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    ur basically annoying sorry >.>

    1) Erased? How Is He Going To Be Erased? He Wants To Be Erased, But We Don't Know how, or why, so you cant say oh thats how you become an unbirth, because as logical as it sounds, thats to simple.
    btw i agree with you, you just lack proof, as does everyone else, the thing that annoyed me is you said "definitely"
    2) You can't say definitely because, we don't know Who Ven is, We Don't Know how Unbirths are made. We Have No Info On This Game
     
  13. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    Ok. Sorry, its just something I heard.
     
  14. The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    This might need its own thread, but........

    What does he mean by he wants to be erased.
     
  15. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    Could mean he wanted to be destroyed.
     
  16. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Thats why its a THEORY. We are just thinking about what could maybe happen. We had NO idea about Nobodies before KH2 but that doesn't mean people didn't theorize about something other than the heartless.

    1) Erased like... killed? Removed? And how do you KNOW its to simple? By your own logic you shouldn't be making statements like that.

    2) We do have info on this game. Such as characters that exist in it and many other things. Even some worlds and gameplay videos. It's true that we don't know how unbirths are made yes, but once again thats why its a theory.

    You are putting to much weight on the word "definitely". Just because someone says definitely that doesn't mean they are 100% sure. That can easily mean they are 100% confident in their theory.
     
  17. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    Well sir, during Nomura's last interview, it has been revealed how they (Unverse) are made, very bluntly though, not very thorough.
    I say Unverse as well since Nomura says that Unbirth was a mistranslation.

    A few things are revealed by clicking >HERE<
    Which is Nomura's interview about BBS

    A few things there that make all of us here wrong in certain places here. Read up and find out where we all went wrong.
     
  18. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    DX WT FREAK?! UNVERSE?! THEY'RE BORN FROM NEGATIVE EMOTIONS?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING! Wait a minute. Negative emotions? ??? MALEFICENT HAVE NEGATIVE EMOTIONS & RIKU HAD NEGATIVE EMOTIONS AGAINST SORA IN KH!
     
  19. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    I think it works a bit differently than the formation of heartless. Hearts and Bodies/Souls are necessary for something to live, which is why they become heartless/nobodies after they are corrupted, but "emotion" wasn't touched on as a necessity to existance in the earlier titles. Its possible negative emotion SPAWNS these creatures, instead of them clutching on to the negative emotions of a particular person like heartless and nobodies do.
     
  20. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    ??? May we take this to the Unbirth Theory thread? I'm now real confused about the negative emotion part.
     
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