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art racism

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by keyblademaster777, Jul 4, 2010.

  1. keyblademaster777

    keyblademaster777 New Member

    for my friends safety i will keep it as confidential as i can.
    My friend is African American. their dad got mad at them because they "didnt draw enough blacks".
    when i heard this i was really upset. but then i thought about it. they do draw a lot of whites but then again they tell me they never pay attention to the skin color of the person they draw.

    do you think the dad is racist or he's right and they should draw more blacks?

    oh and they draw alot of anime. i don't know if this info will help or not, but you never know...
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2010
  2. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

    actually i've gotta admit, he's got a point; you don't see many different skin colors in animes. in fact i can name all the black characters i know on just both hands, and i watch plenty of animes. i think it's just unintentional though, i don't think they really mean to be racist or anything of the sort.

    so i'd say the dad is at fault for making a fuss about it, but at the same time he does raise a decent point.
     
  3. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    They're (Normal Manga, anime, etc) Japan. There aren't many Africans or those of African descent in Japan. Thus, they are drawn far less. It's not racism.
     
  4. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    Well it sort of in art has to deal with the background location. A lot of art that you see whites in are European background farmers, and of that nature. However the minute you head down south and look at the music centered in, especially New Orleans, you see a whole lot of Afriacan Americans in art playing jazz music. Then in abstract art a person shows no idenity if they're black or white.

    Art isn't sort of racist in that sort of thing, but usually art reflects the artist's own ethnicity background, if the artist is German, they paint Germans, that sort of thing.

    Plus if you want to be real teachnical, music is a form of art and especially with jazz, there are a lot more African American musicians mainly because drums sort of came from Africa.



    Also with Anime and Magna, they're white because they're usually from Japan where there aren't many African Americans there.

    So final summary, art isn't racist, but shows a personal background, herritage, and life.
     
  5. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    This kind of reminds me of a study I remember discussing in a psychology class. Researchers took a group of little girls, showed them two baby dolls (one black, the other white), and asked them which one was the good one, and which looked more like them, and some other questions along those lines. I can't remember the exact details, but a majority of the girls, of both races, chose the white doll as the good one, and wanted to play with that one.

    Back to being more on topic, I don't think your friends are being intentionally racist. But perhaps unconsciously, they are thinking something along the lines of the little girls in the study, and choosing to draw people they think are better? Or perhaps that's looking too deeply into things.

    I do agree with Shadow*91 about the dad blowing it out of proportion. I don't mean to belittle racism, but the less everyone thought about dividing people by skin tone, the better I think we'd be. How about just praising the kids for having an artistic talent? I wish I were so lucky.
     
  6. Omega

    Omega New Member

    i remeber that story from a while ago, it was on an article i think.

    anyways you also have to remember the environment they're in. it's like toph said, maybe they are thinking unconsciously about those little girls in terms of drawing. chances are if they're in a place with a different race they may tend to catch on things that the race has.

    his dad probably did that because he wants him to get in touch with heritage or somethin, im not entirely sure. the dad should be proud for your friend having artisitic ability anyway, most people can't really draw.
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Member

    What's interesting is that cross-culture symbolism is so different. If you asked a Chinese girl, she would probably choose the black doll since to them, the colour white symbolizes death (contrary to our 'black'). There was a pandemic in Canada (which is very multicultural) in the 1940s I believe...many of the Chinese people who went to the hospital were terrified because the doctors wore white...the scrubs were subsequently changed to teal (which as far as I know, is a neutral colour to just about everybody).

    As for the topic of discussion, there's only one thought on my mind: If a white kid drew too many blacks, would their parents would be upset?
     
  8. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    Going off to what your last comment was Mike, it probably would have to do with their background.

    My history teacher freshmen year mentioned this that people in Southern states in the U.S. (the states part of the confederacy) were still strong against the northern states(being part of the union) That when he was down there for a while he'd be called a "damn Yankee" and other names associated with the union, this was during his college years(1980's-90's) but that's not too long ago.

    Anyways to my point, I'm sure white kids living in the south who had family back during the civil war part of the confederate states, I'm sure their parents would be mad at them, however versus a kid in the nort with family in the civil war part of the union, I'm sure they wouldn't care.

    So to the main point of all things, it would most likely heavly lay on the shoulders of the background of that family and such.
     
  9. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I wish I could remember this study better, because they may have even looked into this cross-culture aspect. If not, it'd be something worth learning about.

    I suppose it would depend on the person, but I think they very well could get upset, whether because the parents are racist, or because they don't feel like the child is respecting or celebrating her heritage, or whatever. I disagree with Dawn about growing up in the northern or southern US making much of a difference, though. Not to say that there aren't still people down south who haven't realized that the Civil War is over, and I have no trouble believing that someone called your teacher a "damn Yankee", because I've said it myself on occasion, but racism is everywhere. At the time of the Civil War, people weren't any more friendly to blacks in the north than they were in the south (despite the abolitionist movement), so I don't see why their descendents would be more likely to feel one way or the other.
     

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