a religion

Zoroastrianism. Lok it up, and tell me what you think. I wish to debate peeps on it.

 

Interesting. I don't know what you found ,but please....elaborate a bit. Which religions do you feel its a "mix" of?

 

ha! Me too. I really think "video games" are based on more of real life than we realize. Anyways, let me tell you guys what it is.......
Zoroastrianism was the first religion to ever exist, the only thing before it was monotheistic Egyptian sun worship. It was originated by a man in Persia whom received a revelation from God. When you hear his life's story, it really sounds like a video game.
Okay, you the "original" image of a wizard? The whole cloak of stars, big pointy hat, staff and a hawk on his shoulder? That image came from Zoroaster himself (in Persian his name was Zarathrushta. Notice, 12 letters. 12 is a sacred number.) . He was a poet. His father raised horses, but Zarathrushta wished to pursue religion and philosophy. He was born from a virgin (sound familiar?) and then his mother married the horse breeder. He lead a simple child hood, and thought a great deal about the world and god in his youth. Then, as a young man.....it happened. He was out one day in the woods when a great light appeared before him. Some say it was Ahura-Mazda, others think Zoroaster saw his own soul that day. But whatever it was, it took him up into the skies to 6 other lights. To speed things along, bascically the spirits showed him the secrets of the universe, and how our main organs are controlled by the planets or something like that. Then the spirits took him down and gave him some type of powers. With this, they gave him the star cloak and the pointy hat. He used a staff to get around, and he already had a loyal hawk. Anyways, long story short he wrote a few books about Ahura-Mazda and it became a religoin. Wikipedia gives a good over view of it all, so I don't feel I need to explain everything.
The religion is based on a war between Ahura-Mazda and Ahrimen, the epitomy of good and evil. Both have their own armies, Ahura are the good spirits and Daevas the evil spirits. They fight for eternity, but Ahura-Mazda will ultimately prevail. So, why is important?

For those of you who weren't entertained by the ancient tale of Zoroaster and the origins of the religion, heres were it affects you. Because it was one of the first religions, everyone copied off of it. Especially Christianity. Islam a bit, Hinduism a bit, a lot of mythologies did, and Budhism did fo show. Now, you might think: "well, isn't that good/cool?" NO! They've taken it and twisted the truth. They've manipulated the true religion, such that no one remembers it anymore, and those "copy-cats" of a religions won't even acknowledge it. It kinda pisses me off.
......It eventually fell to the rise of Rome and Christianity and Islamic radicals around 300 A.D. But much of what seems to be in religion is often corrupted fate.
"Much of once was is now lost......"- Lord of the Rings

So, thats what Zoroastrianism is all about. Sorry if I offended any one, and I hope I added to your bank of knowledge. Now....for the fun part.....

 

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Interesting to say the least, a classic debate is a brewing!! ^_^

I think I said Egyptian Sun worship came before Zoroastrianism didn't I? It was probably one of the first "organized" religions. Yes there was idol worship and Judaism claimz to have been a religion since the beginning of time, but the earliest scrolls of religious text belongs to Zoroastrianism. And yeah, most every religion worships a Sun god, but Zoroastrianism was the first to not believe in the sun I think. Ahura-Mazda is seen as a god of light, truth, righteousness, and order. A god of Asha. But someone like Jesus is a complete "copy cat" off of someone like Horus, or Ahura-Mazda, or Hercules, or Ra, or Budha. You see, they're all the same. And Ahura-Mazda is the only one with no corilation to the sun. Why?
Because he is righteous.
I don't know if I should post this, because maybe some of you can't handle all of this right now. I'd like you to do something for me, if you have a Bible handy get it out. Look up these 2 passages: Revelations 22: 16 and Isaiah 14:12.
Within these 2 passages lies the truth of the god known as Jesus. Who is Jesus really? Whom does the Christian faith believe in really?
Get back to me on that, will ya?

Ah, the Budha. Budha actually took a lot of his "sayings" or lifes true meanings from Zoroastrianism. Its all linked, its all copied. I was raised Lutheran, so I know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about Christianity, and I have studied other worldly religions before, but theres always more to learn. I hope in ways I'm helping some of you learn about something, thats my goal for this forum debate in a way.

 

okay, some hostility. I understand that the unknown may frighten some, then again others will go into the dark closset to see whats inside....

No, I didn't mean it like that. He is a god of asha. Asha means truth, order, and righteousness. Those three things are the true "light" or, if any, good things in the world, things you can trust. Order may go to far, to much order is what gives birth to chaos and rebellion, but a certain amount of moral order must be kept to live a peaceful life. Thats why I love Americ a so much, what our founding fathers set up for the future was genious. But within the last 100 years, the enemy has gained control over our governments system, and the "rules" have been changed. (if you know what i mean).

First off, you are totally wrong. I don't know about Buddha, but 99.99999999999999% of everything on the earth is completely and totally "unrighteous". We are hear because we sin, we must prove to God that we are decent enough to return to him...

true, true. It is that very thing. So, is it a god? for real, it creates light. So, why do we treat it in such a way? hm?

I'm of the religion? I know that I don't represent the whole religion, but if you really don't believe me, look it up some time.laziness.....

I was just checking to see if you were to lazy and didn't really care, or if you really cared and weren't lazy about it. Its just looking up a passage, it takes 4 seconds. You my friend are a lazy ass....

I know what your talking about. No one is open minded any more. There are either people who don't care, or cling to what they know, even if someone could prove it false. I hate religiously ignorant people, they're the same as athiests in my opinion.

....uh, me. Christian views are hypocritical. I used to be a Lutheran, but turned away from it once I learned the truth of it.

In ways both arem, but 100% of the time, Christians copy off of ancient religions......so your point?

Again, wrong. true we al have our paths to god, but searching for the truth isn't foolish in the least. Its why we're here, to discover what must be known and learned in order to pass back to Paradise. Fools are those who are lazy. That comment my friend is LAZY!

Or will he? You don't know, don't pretend to know.

He might, again, don't pretend to know things you don't.

Thats a liberal view. I don't know if i'm totally into that belief or not. I used to be, know I question it.

 

I meant light as in whats good or right, not an actual light. But it is curious that all religions have differnet moral concepts and ideals of ways of living for god, yet all are connected by the sun? The connection intreges me.

Its called logic. No one is perfect. Thats logic talking. Its something that can be proven, but doesn't need to be because its almost like common knowledge. Thats logic. Everyone is "sinful" or an infedal. EVERYONE.

I don't think thats entirely correct. Most everyone views things differently. Religions, political views, moral concepts....everyone's is different. One person's view of righteousness could be way different than another persons. Again, no hard facts, just a little truth and logic.

Again, the connection all religions have with the sun intreges me.....lol

Hey, just pointing out your "moments" of laziness. Can't handle it? Then don't be lazy.

um, just type the passage in on google.....DUH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I thought you just said you couldn't find it?

Its because there are many translations of the Bible, and I felt like there would be confusion which would allow me to use logic to explain hypocrisy in Christianity. The Bible is always changing. They disregard the fact that "god" doesn't want us to add or subtract from his holy scripture.

No, just I saw that the replies after mine were not neccesarily "nice" and that I might've accidentily offended some peeps, which i didn't mean to do. Sorry for the confusion (if any....lol)

 

alright!

okay, here are the passages:
(N.I.V) Isaiah 14:12- How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
(KJV) Isaiah 14:12- How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Revelation 22:16- "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give this testimony to you for the churches. I am the root and descendent of David, the bright morning star."
Do you see what I'm getting at? also, lucifus means morning star in latin I think. Question: Why would Jesus call himself Lucifer?

 

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Bing!, we have a winner! Good work Figure, not even I guessed that once I found it out...I was more in denial of it. You my friend have my respect. Now, down to the topic of it.
I have found in my studies of the fallen angels and pre-Renaissance Christianity that the telling of the tale has changed and/or been ignored by the church. This tale is crucial to my own belief in God, so I studied the subject for many months. Its actually what brought me into all this studying religion and stuff. But more on the 2 passages, Jesus deliberitly calls himself a Jew and Lucifer before his last words:"I am coming soon". "I am the Root and the Offspring of David....." He's calling himself the descendant of King David. David was a man, why would the "son of god" need to make sure everyone knew he was a Jew? Thats earthly stuff, he doesn't ned to waist his time with that. Thats problemo numero uno. Secondly, the morning star. I believe i've already stated that in latin lucifus means morning star, which sounds a lot like Lucifer. And as an angel he was the prince of light. All together we can conclude that Jesus calls himself the Morning Star for a reason. Like bread crumbs to the truth. The Star that rises in the Morning is what? HM? Its the sun. How many times has Jesus called himself the sun? plenty, but thats not the point. The point is that when we trace the reference of Morning Star back to Isaiah, it is seen as a negative reference to Lucifer, and it talks of the MS being the "son of the dawn". What is the dawn? The dawn is the coming of the sun. Conclusion: Jesus uses the title MS as another way of saying he is coming again. We know that he will come again to raise the dead on Judgement Day, but there will be 2 who claim to be Jesus......or only One. if there are two, then the one who has any tie to he title of Morning Star or the Dawn, then it is the Anti-Christ, or Lucifer. The other one will be "good". If there is only one who claims to be the Christ reborn, then we're screwed. Because we now know that a "bad guy" is coming to take over the world, its only a matter of time to see if the "good guy" will follow.