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A big whopper that is open to discussion.

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Zerieth, Mar 11, 2011.

  1. Zerieth

    Zerieth Head Game Reviewer

    Here is my attempt at reviving this section. It is to do with a lot of stuff I have questions about, so without further ado here it is.

    In short, on to my musings from the past year or so, and i will try to keep them brief. First I want to make sure you understand that I do believe in god, jesus, and the fact that god created this wonderful world of ours. That said I do also believe in some inconsistencies in our bible which could have come about from translation errors, editing, and the sheer passage of time. While the actual message is the same i.e. that christ is our savior that doesn't mean that absolutely everything in the bible should be taken at exactly face value.

    For instance supposedly god created our world in just one week, spending a day on light, then the rest on creatures. The very ideal is something that is quite difficult to grasp, and a lot of science these days has debunked that theory in quite a big way. We now know that it takes a lot more than seven days for a planet to become populated with creatures of all sorts, and that a lot more goes into it. So what if, instead of days, it really means Years? 7 hundred thousand years perhaps? More like Billions? 7 billion years makes a lot more sense in my mind, especially since we only have gods word that it took seven days. No I am not denouncing him as a liar but he may not have been able to convey across to us primitive humans that what seems like seven days in his mind is actually a lot longer in ours. Why to a being that can see everything and who knows no ending such a time period is more like a blink.

    Another idea I've had is the fact that god is alone. What if that isn't the case? What if, in fact, there are many other beings like him? I'm sure he was the only one to create us but that doesn't mean that he just so happens to be all alone. It could in fact be that he lives on a higher plane than we humans and that in order to get there we have to have a little help along. Follow the rules and we get paradise. Break them and its into hell we go, no doubt a punishment of gods creation, almost like a cosmic jail. So basically what I am getting at is that there are many beings such as god out there, but only our god decided to make our world. What started out as a way to pass time has turned into a wondrous creation that he is no doubt quite proud of and cares a lot for.

    Finally there is the whole issue of our continued existence. Back in the time of the Dinos small mammals existed, and somehow made it through the calamity that killed off the dinosaur. After that when the continents split apart they began to evolve in a multitude of ways, morphing into the dogs, cats, and people of today. However while a lot of other critters out there have evolved special senses we seem to have mediocre senses and strengths. Why is that? Certainly we don't need such things anymore but not much in science suggests our senses were stronger. It is my belief that something akin to telekenisis did exist in our race, and that it was used as a method of survival. Certainly being able to sense with a sixth sense that a threat/prey was nearby would be a handy tool indeed, and we've seen some pretty interesting stuff in the never ending quest to understand evolution, and scientists are certain they haven't even scratched the surface. Also an ability to heighten one sense at will, and to strengthen ones body in certain ways to match the situation would be quite handy as well. I speak of Aura, a mythical field of energy that supposedly surrounds all life. If a person could tap into that power they could use it like a shield, redistribute energy to various muscles to boast performance, heighten senses, and be able to sense other aura's of other creatures nearby getting a sense of size and shape without actually being able to see them. Certainly it is something that evolution could have delivered to us, and some evidence exists in our history that hints at it's continued existence.

    Going back to early man we would have had some kind of gene allowing us to use this power. Over time as we've gotten better at making tools, and greater in number, we would not have needed such a skill and it would have faded with more and more people being born with the, we'll call it the A Gene, off. Over time those with the A Gene off would overshadow those with it on, and thus aura would stop working for us becoming dormant. In the middle ages is about when it started going off. Recall the talk of magicians, shamans, and diviners. We are a race of people that require some type of proof to be able to believe something without a doubt. That means that somehow we were convinced that these people really did possess special powers, made possible by aura though I sincerely doubt anyone knew what it was and just denounced it as magic, something unexplained. When these people were no longer needed they stopped giving birth to people with the power.

    Jesus is one such person that I believe had that power. No doubt god had decided that his 10 commandments, and the blood sacrifices, were a bit much. And yet there is very little one can do about a situation unless someone can be sent down to fix it. Jesus, his son, would have qualified quite nicely and god prepared a body for him to inhabit. One that not only had the A gene turned on, bit was quite powerful with aura. In that time period not a lot of A gene positive people existed, or were remembered well, so Jesus would have come over as a person with god like powers. The ability to stimulate rapid healing/immunity is one such power that I am sure a strong aura user could have. Also healing the blind and the lame could come about as higher stimulus to those muscles is another great thing. We have no proof that the affects were permanent, indeed we don't encounter the ones Jesus cures again in the bible, but just getting a glimpse into being able to see/hear would be pretty nice. When Jesus performed the supper on the mount recall that he needed something in order to create the other fish and bread. He didn't, no, couldn't make something from nothing. Absolutely know where in the bible is their direct evidence of him making something from nothing, and he's always had to have something to work with. A god like entity would be able to ignore his own rules should he choose, but Jesus wasn't the creator so he had to work within one of the laws of creation on our world. You can not create something from nothing. And so he used a different method, making it so that he could replicate the bread and fish essentially copying their chemical bonds and then giving the replicas to people. We have no evidence of the taste, shape, and size of the bread and fish so we can only guess as to it but a exact copy would have to look and taste the same as the original. I doubt anyone would have been in a position to notice cause they were probably trying to wrap their minds around how it was the bread and fish were not running out. Interesting no?

    Jesus performed one last miracle, coming back from the dead. This is the hardest for me to explain and the easiest is that someone decided to look and act like him. That gets shot down almost right away because he performs another miracle, proving himself by giving everyone the knowledge to speak in all tongues. It is possible that Jesus faked his own death and instead put himself in a dormant state so that he didn't so much die as simply cease moving. Much easier to wrap ones mind around as I'm sure no one would have thought to check his heart beat. Another possibility is gods direct intervention, preserving his life by rewriting some rules as to where his son was concerned, and then letting him live again three days after his "death." One thing I do know is that the dead can not be brought to life. Someone who is truly dead can never return to this world without the aid of a higher force, god. I'm certain god would have been very reluctant to break this greatest of all rules because the price is quite high. One life is not equal to another by any means so many would have had to be sacrificed for this, albeit temporary, revival. More than likely god simply pulled Jesus's life out of time, and then reinserted it later. That would have been a real miracle but not from Jesus.

    Through Jesus god was able to impose his new rule. The 10 commandments are now guidelines not to be followed to the letter, but more to be followed in a vague sort of way. We interpret those laws in many different ways now-a-days. No more sacrifice is required in a blood sort of way, though spreading my name would be quite nice. Once again though were are not required to spread the name of god any where. We could keep him to ourselves if we so choose, and there are a lot of people who would prefer we do just that. All that we need to do is believe that Jesus came, saw, and saved us from ourselves. That's it, and it's something I am quite happy to follow.

    So now for my all important big question. Is it true then that if aura does indeed exist that people today are able to use it? What would happen if all of our technology was taken from us and we were left with nothing but the shirt on our backs? Could aura one day come back to all humans? Is Jesus the ultimate user of that power, and that even now he awaits his chance to come back and show us that god is still watching? Finally, is the bible subject to misinterpretation, and that of the information is either corrupted, or false? I value your opinions. And yes I did try to keep it brief.
     
  2. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    I don't know about some of the other stuff, but I will counter what I can with what I do know. My responses in bold. I don't know about the scientific theory stuff, though.

    Just ask if you want the source for ANY of my quotes. Most of which are from the bible, but you know. The stuff that Isn't from the bible.
     
  3. Remedy

    Remedy Remnant

    False Theory

    Ok this is a false theory. They call it the Long-Day theory (no joke).
    Specifically in Genesis it says and i quote,

    The reason many people beleive the long day theory is some misunderstanding in 2 Peter. It says,

    But because of the evidence in Genesis we know it was literally ONE day for each of the creations.
    Plus God says what he means, why would he say "Day" if he really meant 1,00 years? I mean he may not be the WRITER of the Bible, but his is the Author.
     
  4. Become

    Become The Pink Opaque Staff Member Moderator Content Writer

    I'm going to go ahead and not say anything in regards to the religious matters discussed in this. It's pointless to risk getting into a heated debate about things that have no real answers.

    So first thing is first, I don' think that a mystical energy field holds much responsibility in the survival of species over the eons. For the most part, the survival of said species, such as humans, has been a matter of biology and (most certainly in the human case) psychology. Animals are able to sense the world around them by way of biological factors. A cat can see better than a human in the dark because their eyes can adjust better, and take in more of what little light there is. A dog can easily track a rabbit through the woods with little more than scent because its sense of smell is typically more receptive than a human's. The mammals that survived amongst and beyond the dinosaurs because they were as small as they were; they could scamper about, typically without even registering with the behemoth lizards stomping about above them, and when doomsday came about, they were able to burrow under ground, where they were not only spared from the meteor impact, but also the horror that followed it.

    While many animals adapted to the ever changing environments through physical extremes (greater senses, sprouting in new appendages and shedding useless ones, etc), humans grew in a more mental sense. Humans lack the same senses as animals because we developed out of the need to be wary of our surroundings, and into the ability to make sure that we didn't need to worry about them so much. Humankind can build houses to stay in for protection from the environment, put up walls to keep out danger, and use elements of nature to our advantage more so than other life forms (ie being able to build a fire to keep warm in cold weather. The key to humanity's survival? At this point, it's a combination of numbers, and general resourcefulness.

    However, to be closed-minded to the idea of there being some higher force or power about even what mankind has procured for itself, and that there is no higher plateau to achieve is almost insufferably stupid. There things in this universe, on our very Earth for that matter, that already transcend what most science can fully explain without great debate. I take such things as the Bermuda Triangle to be substantial evidence of that. And so, who's to say that humanity can't come to establish some higher order of energy or control over themselves?

    YouTube - Ripleys Believe It or Not! A Qigong (chi kung) Master Emits Heat From Hand at Over 200 degrees

    I can't speak to the validity of it, but things like what is covered in this video here have me pretty sure that a being, particularly a human, does possess some sort of higher power within reach.
     
  5. Zerieth

    Zerieth Head Game Reviewer

    This forum is rife with double posting.

    We humans don't seem to have as high a capability to sense things as other creatures. Also note that some of us have displayed some rudimentery abilities, including several monks who wrapped themselves in freezing cold blankets then heated them to the point were they steamed.

    As for the 1 day theory I didn't say god didn't say, "This did not happen in 1 day." Instead I said that people misinterpreted him. Besides proof exists today that our world was not made in 7 days. We have proof of evolution, and humans didn't even exist for several billion years. We were stuck on last.
     
  6. Become

    Become The Pink Opaque Staff Member Moderator Content Writer

    I do believe that I've already given an opinion on the the whole "animals can sense things better than human," bit.
     

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