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Terra the Terra-bull

Discussion in 'General Kingdom Hearts' started by logos, Nov 29, 2016.

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  1. logos

    logos Member

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    Taurus
    Element: Terra
    Ruling planet: Venus
    Symbol: Bull

    Taurus is the earth (Terra) bull
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    in the taurean age it was the first zodiac sign. this is why in the prequels you are supposed to start with terra.

    and finally, to bring it home and show that nothing im saying is a stretch and is all actually taken directly from the game itself which hints at these things here is the zodiac wheel itself making an appearance in kingdom hearts BBS

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    look closely, that is the zodiac wheel around the magic mirror.

    .angel means messenger. and angle is a degree. Notice both these words end in the suffix el, the ancient name for God.
    Now an angle of the zodiac gives you a message or a horoscope!

    An ANGEL is nothing but an ANGLE of the zodiac wheel that gives you a message
     
  2. Taboo Sho

    Taboo Sho The Math Emperor Staff Member Moderator Content Writer

    I can't even... What is this? None of this even connects remotely with the name of the thread! What point are you trying to prove here?
     
  3. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I honestly thought Phil said "Terra-bull" as a hint that he wanted to curse and say it is crap. Plus, I never start off with Terra. I start off with Aqua. She's my gal.
     
  4. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Oh my god oh my god. Dude you're right. The zodiac signs are around the magic mirror. Maybe you're not crazy!

    Then again, they were there in the Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs movie. Now you're 'crazy' (wrong) again.
     
  5. logos

    logos Member

    I knew someone would say this. they were there in the snow white movie because the magic mirror is a horoscope, shes reading the stars. that's why the magic mirror gives her messages like that shes doing astrology just like yensid.

    the Taurus bull is like literally the terra bull look it up it has everything to do with what I just posted.
     
  6. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    May you please give evidence how the Queen is reading the stars theough a talking green mask in the mirror?
     
  7. Nova

    Nova A Ghost Staff Member Administrator

    In his warped reality, it's because the zodiac surrounds the mirror therefore she is reading the stars.

    I argue, however, that the animators could simply think they were being clever with this concept without the illuminati planting it there.
     
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  8. logos

    logos Member

    No because the mirror gives a message about individual people just like the horoscope.
    If its not a zodiac chart then you tell me why the zodiac signs are there
     
  9. Nova

    Nova A Ghost Staff Member Administrator

    I'm not saying it's not a zodiac chart. Just that Disney is not necessarily known for it's accuracy. It's a bit of a stretch to say that the zodiac images around the witches mirror means there is some kind of conspiracy.
     
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  10. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I haven't played the game, but this is what it seems like to me, just reading that screen cap. It's an incredibly lame pun and also brings to mind bull shit, which I'm guessing is what Phil thinks about Terra at that moment at least.

    I have to say I agree with this post. I think it's probably there because the symbols look sufficiently magical.
     
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  11. logos

    logos Member

    bull shit is a whole other discussion that leads into the bible but I will say that there is a reason why its called bull shit and not cat shit. there is a reason why its called the bi-bull and a reason why he spelled it terra-bull and not terri-ble there is a reason why adam gave birth to able or a-bull you understand. the Taurus bull use to lead the zodiac and this was known as the taurean age (google it) the bible is actually bull worship the Bi-bull is about the 2 bull of nature the paradOX which is night and day in one single day. the Bi-bull is about the parables or the para-bulls you understand?
    the bible takes its very name from the ancient canaan Phoenician city ELjebel where the bull was worshipped and the greeks called the city Byblos. its where they got parchment and papyrus from for writing so Byblos became the word for book. parchment is made from bulls hide. papyrus is made from a plant that grows on the nile called Bulrushes. its the same plant used to build noahs cradle he was placed in as a baby when he was put in the river. when the Israelites first left Egypt they built a golden calf to worship. there are groups of people in that region that still openly worship the bull or the cow such as the hindus. you've probably wondered why. well its because the bull was used back in the day for not just food, but agriculture for money for clothes and even used its BULL shit for fuel fires.
    some magic mushrooms even grow out of bullshit and this is why we say holy shit. bull shit is holy shit.

    now in kingdom hearts you needed mushrooms to get off the islands. I believe sora ate one we also have the mysterious mushroom heartless that appear at random through out the games. the Taurus bull use to leads the zodiac wheel that's why terra leads the BBS games.

    as far as the astrology symbols looking like magical symbols or should I say, sym-BULLS that's because astrology is magic practiced by wiccans and magicians. that's why wiccans utilize the black moon for their most powerful magic. magic is based all around the celestial bodies....hell everything is. that's why we call movie stars stars because we watch them like the ancients used to watch the stars before there was TV I mean.

    however like I said terra bull is actually the Taurus bull like literally. you may have thought that's what phil was saying but its not it was a clue to what im explaining now. however like I said theres a reason why we say bullshit and not cat shit.

    theres a reason redbull gives you wings. secretly the whole world worships the bull.
     
  12. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    We cannot deny the Queen practice magic. That is a fact and there are signs in the movie as well. However:

    1. Where in the world did you get "angel" from. The mask is an imprisoned spirit and a slave. Can be a demon. It was never metioned he is a messenger. Also, le in angle does not mean God so please do not play the words. You always do this and never give any reason why and/or how you came up with angel or angle or any words.

    2. Why you only think of Astronomy? The Queen can also scry and other forms of fortune telling to help her answer. If we're actually going to go this deep into details, at least do this properly. She called on a Spirit to do some fortune telling. Doesn't mean astronomy was involved.

    3. You not only stretched it. You ran with it. Has nothing to do with Terra and Kitty said to talk about religion in a different section.
     
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  13. logos

    logos Member

    I got angel because it means messenger. angels give a message from God. the angle's of the zodiac give a message from the sun (God) the magic mirror gives messages to the queen.

    -le [​IMG]
    instrumental word-forming element, the usual modern form of -el
    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=le
    say the word angel and say the word angle both end in the suffix EL the ancient word for God. they both give you a message.
    we are not talking about scrying we are talking about the magic mirror which is surrounded by the zodiac wheel because the angles of the zodiac wheel give you a message
    Ezekiel 10:14

    New Living Translation
    Each of the four cherubim had four faces: the first was the face of an ox, the second was a human face, the third was the face of a lion, and the fourth was the face of an eagle.

    these are the 4 cardinal signs of the zodiac that use to form the cross of the wheel. back then scorpio was an eagle these are the house of Taurus, leo, scorpio and aqurius

    today the 4 cardinal signs are different they are aries, libra, cancer and Capricorn.
     
  14. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    1. The Taurus sign is not the first. It is the second. How did you mess that one up?

    2. Le and el are their own suffix. If you actually study out el, you would know it would express appliance or tool while le is a suffix to create nouns or to express an action. You need to go back and study synonyms and syllables as well. To take two words meant for a different use and to compare them to God, even overlookimg the fact angle are meant to talk about geometry means to accept folly. Angle does not have any reference to God in any way whatsoever Kingdom Hearts, life or in general.

    3. We do have to talk about scrying because you're the one who said the Queen and the mirror used Astrology. You claim the mirror is using horoscopes and astrology to know about individuals when I stated earlier it is not even the case because divination is not only astrology and there are other ways in that aspect the Queen and the spirit can know about a person. And no. The Queen and Yen Sid (Didn't I proved to you Yen Sid does not... oh yea. You disregarded it and want to make two completely different fields to match your ideology) did not practice Astrology.

    4.
    No baby boy. Sora did not eat the mushrooms on Destiny Island. He collected them. Plus, Terra never did lead the BBS storyline. It was split up to revolve around 3 people, not one all for the purpose of a Zodiac voodoo ritual theory. Did you even play Birth by Sleep?

    5. Create a thread about religion somewhere else like the debate or mature section please. We're not going to go there. Everything you said has NOTHING to do with Terra whatsoever. You just having a fit over what is in Snow White and since you saw a symbol that was in Kingdom Hearts, you went "OH! A bull! Snow White is in Seven Dwarfs so let's fit Terra in there!" Has nothing to do with Kingdom Hearts whatsoever. @Kitty Please close this thread. It is starting to derail.
     
  15. logos

    logos Member


    I said the Taurus sign USED to be the first zodiac sign USED TO BE do you know what USED to means?
    The Bull is one of the oldest documented constellations, with details of the constellation going as far back as the Early Bronze Age.

    this is what you have been doing the whole time misrepresenting my points and claiming you've proved something you haven't proved anything at all.
    you haven't proved that yenside isn't doing astrology you only disagreed that he was. but its a fact, when you read the stars its astrology and when the stars correspond to earthly bodies that "as above so below" which is astrology.

    Age of Taurus Agricultural Age, Fertility religions, Golden Calf, Hindu Cattle worship, The Hindu religion still clings to its cattle worship from the age of Taurus.

    you say yensid is not doing astrology but you cant say what he IS doing you just know its not astrology right? that's not good enough. and before you say magic you should know astrology is magic.

    Along with tarot divination, astrology is one of the core studies of Western esotericism, and as such has influenced systems of magical belief not only among Western esotericists and Hermeticists, but also belief systems such as Wicca that have borrowed from or been influenced by the Western esoteric tradition
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology


    Divination (from Latin divinare "to foresee, to be inspired by a god",[2] related to divinus, divine) is the attempt to gain insight into a question or situation by way of an occultic, standardized process or ritual.[3]

    notice that word occultic, that means HIDDEN which is exactly what the queen was doing by way of her zodiac chart mirror. and divination can be done with astrology
    Astrology is the study of the movements and relative positions of celestial objects as a means for divining information about human affairs and terrestrial events
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology

    also an angle has been associated with the zodiac since ancient time since ancient had to divide and track the cycles of the sun for their survival. they had to know when winter was coming and when spring came because they had to know when to planet crops and when to harvest them. an angle of the zodiac is geometry its where the very concept comes from. the sun was worshiped for its angles in the zodiac where angels and they gave a message of what would happen to the earth at that time. it has EVERYTHING to do with God sorry.

    and I said el was the ANCIENT word for god, I didn't say el and le in their modern usage meant the same thing. what you guys need to study and research are the words OCCULT and ESOTERIC because that's what everything im telling you is it is hidden its not right out in the open.

    Ill
    post it one more time just encase you didn't grasp it the first time.

    Along with tarot divination, astrology is one of the core studies of Western esotericism, and as such has influenced systems of magical belief not only among Western esotericists and Hermeticists, but also belief systems such as Wicca that have borrowed from or been influenced by the Western esoteric tradition
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology


    Western astrology is a form of divination based on the construction of a horoscope for an exact moment, such as a person's birth
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_astrology

    this is exactly what I have been telling you guys, astrology is magic. and what im telling you now is esoteric which means hidden.

    adjective: esoteric
    1. intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.
      "esoteric philosophical debates"
      synonyms: abstruse, obscure, rarefied,

    also I never said sora ate a mushroom I said I THINK he ate one. that's not a definitive statement

    Nomura recommended players to first play as Terra in Birth by Sleep in order to understand the story better.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_(Kingdom_Hearts)

    so yes terra does lead the story. and its quite obvious you dont even know what you're talking about. your strawman logical fallacies and misrepresentations of my points are pathetic. what you must understand before we go forward is that what I am speaking to you about is of an esoteric nature. just like an exoskeleton is on the outside for the world to see, and esokeleton is on the inside, hidden form view.


    im telling you about things that are esoteric while you're talking about whats on the surface. take a step back a get some knowledge about what you're talking about before you start trying to tell me something. because unlike you I actually KNOW what it is im talking about. im not just giving some hasty made up counter argument from my gut like you are. now your homework is to google the words occult and esoteric and get it memorized.

    Today the stars no longer guide our navigation, orchestrate our time-keeping, or pace our planting and harvesting but nearly all ancient civilizations shared this wisdom
     
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  16. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    You can conveniently call anything esoteric. It's just an excuse for not having actual proof.

    What you continue to fail at is providing any kind of proof that such meanings and connections are intentional in Kingdom Hearts, purposely included by the game developers. Until you can show a quote from Nomura saying that he intended any of this, it's just theory, and not even a very coherent one at that. Anyone can pull some random detail from the game, from the color of someone's hair, to the design of a door, and compare it to something similar that exists in another fandom, or mythology, or history. That doesn't mean the creators were thinking of that comparison or intended for us to make it.

    And I meant what I said about the religious talk. If it's not directly on topic, shut up about it in this thread.
     
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  17. Oath

    Oath King Bitch™

    How many threads do we really need for this terra-bullshit?
     
  18. logos

    logos Member

    Along with tarot divination, astrology is one of the core studies of Western esotericism, and as such has influenced systems of magical belief not only among Western esotericists and Hermeticists, but also belief systems such as Wicca that have borrowed from or been influenced by the Western esoteric tradition
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology
    its not what im calling it, that's what it is. astrology is esotericism or do you think I edited that Wikipedia page? you probably think I came up with the word esoteric too lmao.
    yensid proved what ive been saying all along concretely.

    individual characters ARE associated with the stars that's proof right there. not to mention all the other stuff I brought up already. at this point saying that ive failed to prove there arnt any connections is just blatently rejecting every bit of evidence ive brought forth and its well founded evidence.

    you say yensid is just doing magic I provide you with a source that proves what im saying that astrology is magic yet still you continue on the same tune.
     
  19. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Please, continue to talk down to me. I love it so.
     
  20. logos

    logos Member

    im not talking down to im just saying. because its not what im "conveniently calling" it that's what it is. I gave you the source that supports what im saying. I gave you the source for astrology being magic. so NOW what is your excuse for what it was yensid was doing when he was divining messages form the stars? .... exactly, there no other word for it except astrology.

    what is your excuse for yensid stating that stars correlate with characters of the game namely eraqus, xehanort and terra. ...... if its not anthropomorphism, please you tell me what it is oh wise one.
    esoteric information is not supposed to be intended for you to make the connection so there will be no game developers that EVER verify what im saying. its what they call lesser magic. if they show you their heart sacrifice rituals for the sun and your response it to leap for joy and create fandom it encourages them in their disgusting actions. its part of their cremation of care ceremony which they conduct every year at mid summer at the bohemian grove (look it up)

    but what it sounds like your saying is, yea, I see the connections, I see the allusions to the sun but until the game developers say. first of all you're a grown 31 year old women, you can see and think for yourself I would hope. also the game developers simple are not going to tell you because its not intended for you to know.
    like I said its called lesser magic.

    if they came out and admitted what im saying then they have to admit the game is about blood sacrifice. they will never do it. but you can see for yourself. in what other instance is the heart of someone required to bring the light? I can provide you the source if need be.

    the other one is about scorpio this one is about Taurus. terra is kinda 2 different characters so yea.
     
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