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Death

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by EtherealSummoner, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I am a God-Lover but... what is the point in death? I know that all of us will experience it but sometimes, I would like to transcend it. What will God want from me that he would let me not even experience it, I don't know but I would give God everything and do anything in order to transcend it. I know that death is necessary for the physical body... but I still have a problem with it. Some would say that it is just a temporary sleep and that I can agree but... I don't know how to put it into words... death just comes in at an unexpected time and really do not come in at the time which it shouldn't even come to begin with. What would all of you have to say about this?

    I just do not like death at all really even though I come to accept that it is life. I just do not understand why it does not change people's mindset when it even come to the subject.
     
  2. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    I dont understand Death but i know there is a way to avoid it, Death is like a sickness and if your religoius then you can go with the anlogly that when adam and eve at the gold apple they were infected and that got into there genes and infected us all. In Science its just the body cant keep fixing and repairing itself and are cells are programmed to "get older" and are heart and brain can only take so many years of stress or this and that! So Death itself might be irrecoverable but there might be a way to stop it from a Science stand point. Hopefully God is real and frees us from are sin and we can live forever.
     
  3. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    OH sure. Immortality is a surefire way to avoid death but too bad that there is nothing of the sort unless we actually die and gain eternal life. Other than that, there are only rumors and myths and legends such as the fountain of youth. Plus, it takes time for a body to heal so there is no use about trying to say that the body can repair itself if it took fatal damage. From a Science point of view, there is no way for it to even stop death. It can only prolong life but cannot stop it. Oh sure! Slap the person on life support! Still won't do any good. Science can only do much in a physical standard.

    As for me, I already know that God and Jesus are real and am beyond the 100% range that they are real.
     
  4. Chocobo Dyl

    Chocobo Dyl New Member

    I guess that you can't really bump a debate because anyone can always bring their answers to the table, right?

    Anyway, I don't want to stir up an argument in the sense of religion, because there's a thread for that, but surely the question of,"Why does Death exist?" stems from religion.

    For example, an atheist, such as myself, would tell you that we die because all things must die. Nothing is immortal.

    A Hindu may tell you that death is just part of the cycle of samsara, and without it, how else would we transition from phase to phase and re-incarnate?

    I suppose, if you are christian and must come to terms with it, you could look at it in a similar light. One day your soul or your spirit has to pop up into that wonderful place in the sky, or not if you believe in hell, and the day you die happens to be that day. Even if there were a different solution, as far as Christianity can see, there's nothing wrong with this one.

    Also, to further elaborate on my claims of everything must die. I mean it in as simple terms as possible, again not wanting to stir up a religious argument, everything on this mortal plane, what we identify as,'the universe' must end. It's a fundamental law that one day there will be nothing, and from nothing, something will come.
     
  5. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    My answer is pretty simple.

    From Death, brings Life.

    We need "Death" in order to "Live". For whatever reason, overpopulation, to eat, to move on, and to grow.
     
  6. Chocobo Dyl

    Chocobo Dyl New Member

    Oh yeah, there is that too.

    Without shunting people off this Earth, we deny other's the chance to have kids, and quite generally halt advancement of all technologies.
     
  7. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    As what Angel said. As one physical body dies, more are born. Plus death isn't unexpected. Earth to me is a realm of testing, you're being tested to see if you're worthy of everlasting life in heaven or wherever. Once you fulfilled your test, you move on to the next realm.
     
  8. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    ... That wouldn't really make any sense Nicole. If so, then why would kids pass away at an early age? It is not as though they went through a test yet. Would be the same for animals (Although many of us have different opinions about death for animals) but mainly on human life, how can there be a test when someone actually die early or die at a time (To us that is) that is not at an appropriate time.

    Not only that, Earth should be the place where we carry out the plans of God and to fellowship with humans and Him. However, when it comes to death, I myself believe that it can come unexpected. It comes when you have plans for the next day but you never know that you will not be able to carry out those plans the next day. It comes out unexpected like that one time at that movie massacre when you are just enjoying yourself and death creeps up and takes you out. Did they fulfilled their "test" before death came unexpectedly or what, I am concern about it.
     
  9. Chocobo Dyl

    Chocobo Dyl New Member

    I'm sorry but I think I've already went as far as I can in this thread, not because I've ran out of things to say, but your entire debate comes from a very narrow perspective, and that's Christian.

    I understand that Christians are plentiful in this world, but even if half of the world was Christian (which is isn't) there'd still be 3 and a half billion people who cannot possibly help you answer this question due to disagreeing on the fundamentals of it. Your question isn't,"Why do we die?" so much as,"Why does God allow us to die?" and that, I just cannot even begin to fathom.
     
  10. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    No no. Do not hesitate to say anything. Just say what you need to say. I am all ears. I am more intersted on Death itself. In all honesty, I only know more about the death perspective in Christianity mostly but as for death in the other perspectives, I really don't know except the common basics so just spill it out. I will not be offended.
     
  11. Chocobo Dyl

    Chocobo Dyl New Member

    I've already said what I believe, I'm an atheist so to me, Death is Death, it has to happen otherwise our society wouldn't advance, children couldn't be born and besides that, everything must, at some point end. It's the nature even of infinity, the never-ending number, that it must at some point be finite.

    You're looking at it purely from a Christian perspective. Why does your God allow people to die when they have done no wrong? I'm not sure, we could babble on about original sin or his omniscience allowing him to know everything that ever will happen and thus being able to know who should die and who shouldn't.

    This may come across as highly offensive, but maybe every single person at those Colorado shootings were the next Hitler's, we can never know now.

    All in all, the God you believe in is said to be ineffable, and thus we shouldn't question his motives or actions, unless of course we don't believe in him.
     
  12. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I suppose to this someone who was religious and Christian could say that you can't presume to know God's plan for you, and that while you may have things that you want to accomplish, He knows best and if He decides it's time for you to die for whatever reason, so be it, regardless your age or how well you've lived your life. I don't know.

    Personally, I agree with Angel and Chocobo Dyl. We get old, we die, new people take our place. The circle of life or whatever. And I think it's a way for new ideas and growth. I think if humans were immortal our society would end up stagnant and probably even more corrupt. But I don't think about death much more that that. It's just the way it is.
     
  13. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    After the funeral Saturday, my pastor made a point and I found it amusing but was understandable. No matter how long we live, there is always an "appointment" to die and that no one on Earth can get away with it.

    So, when my pastor made an example of how a person said "Lord, let me live to see this, let me live to see this" and then "Lord, let me live", he looks at her and wonder "How long do you want God to keep on extending your life?". He even states how the person states taht the family should tell the doctor to instead of taking her off the plug that they should tell the doctor to "Hit her all that they've got".

    It is interesting since medicine technology has increased but regardless that it can help extend the lifespan of a person, the person will still going to die anyway in one way or another.
     
  14. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Such a bleak thing to say,

    I doubt someone's life span can really be extended.
     

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