Gay Rights

Lolz. I know thats what I would be like. Anyways I think people can't think about anything but themselves. They find themselves automatically thinking that gays are against the hetero society. In the end, we almost always try to find a way to make our selves dominant.

 

if being homosexual is okay then that would mean everyone being homosexual is alright which means you would not be alive to wright on this post
how does that sound.

 

Oi! We have someone against! THANK GOD!!!!! I am not saying that jut because it is all right everyone should do it. How ever it is in out constituion that you are allowed to seek your own happiness. Far be it from us to interpret in a way that crushes other peoples happiness.
I hope I didn't just can you with one post. It would be cool to set a record but then I would be bored.

 

Eating spinach is ok. That doesn't mean everyone does it. The only way your scenario works is if every person on the face of the planet is gay. And even then, there is artificial insemination. Sperm donors and such. People canm still have kids.

But it doesn't realy matter. Tha majority of people will still be straight. The odds of homosexuality killing the species are damn near impossible, if not completely impossible.

 

Hey, you may never now! XD

Here is part of the Constitution that I love reading over and over. And when I finish reading this part, I sit and wonder, what the f*** is our government doing now?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

BOO-YAH!

Not letting homosexuals to get married or have rights like us (Straight people) is wrong and it goes against what our Founding Fathers want. Everyone should be able to get married with out all of this B/S because of their sex orientation! I don't give a hoot! A person deserve to say that this is my wife and I am her husband, or this is my husband and I'm his husband, or this is my wife, and I am her wife! Not this is my common law partner, or what ever the straight people call the gays that are married.

I know that we don't follow the Constitution to a T. <--Look at the Civil War
But, we need to compromise. The gays ain't going to brainwash you or turn you or even make you gay. You may experiment, but we all go through that phase, I think.

Also don't say that when they where writing the Constitution, that there wasn't any gays around. They been around since Ancient Times. I found out through research that Walt Whitman was bi. SHOCKING!

 

You guys have just killed his post I think. *Worships awsome debating skills* But if you just killed him entirely there will be trouble. STAY STRONG MAN! HEY! Maybe I ought to play devils advocate? Who wants me to?

 

Actually Yukou, that's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Zerith, there's nothing wrong with arguing the side you don't agree with. Have the time I don't even know what Mikes standpoint is on a debate. And I've argued both points back and forth in the Abortion debate. If you wanna do it, go for it.

And as for homsexuals throughout history, it's actually been far more accepted in the past than it is now. Many ancient cultures encouraged it within the military, figuring that if you loved the man fighting next to you, you would fight that much harder to protect him. There have been quite a few famous figures from history who were gay. It's no big secret.

 

How to be the devils advocate here. hmm. Well a gay creature can not reproduce in the wild. Therefore it can not contribute to the species in any way. That creature is an outcast, and downright nuts. Why are humans any different from that law?
Man this is hard

 

Yeah, and you thought women ran brothels in Greece, but it was really guys! Researching I found out that famous philosophers were kinda gay, Socrates "loves" his students, I think Plato went to a brothel for guys, and other famous people.

It is weird, in the past, it is okay to sleep with the same sex, and know it is like taboo.

Well when I debate, I don't look at what I think, I argue for the other people's feeling. I don't know why, but I like to put other people in front of me.

@EbeneezerAl: hehehe, I guess I forgot! Oh well, I need to pay attention in History more often then! Thanks!

 

I meant that the animals are in a sense out casted from the gene pool because they can't add to it.

 

Hmm...I'd just like to say that quoting the constitution / some strictly American legislature is one of the weakest arguments you could come up with, and you could do better. In my opinion, no one's 'killed' his post at all.

I'd also like to challenge the notion of sexual preference in animals. It has been exhibited that homosexual acts can occur if you jam 40 male monkeys into a cage and wait long enough. However release these same monkeys into a cage with 40 female monkeys, and they'll hop on top of the girls.

In animals, as far as I'm concerned, a homosexual act can occur...but not a sexual preference.

So the question becomes: Why are humans different indeed? What is sexual preference?

 

Again...take any allegedly 'gay' dog and put it with a bunch of bitches in heat. I'd like to see him keep his paws to himself.

The fact of the matter is, any dog would hump a couch, or a person's leg if they were turned on enough. This is not a sexual preference...dogs just 'need it' a lot. There are several videos on youtube which have amused me, as they are dogs 'getting it on' with stuffed animals, on several different occasions.

The reason dogs look like exceptions is because they're very social animals. They're full of such love for others that they would probably repeat any sexual encounters, appearing 'gay' if the case in point was another male dog. This is kind of confusing, but it's not really a contradiction to my point, because they are never 'exclusively' gay, or straight.

Also note that this is only about homosexual male dogs. If it were a sexual preference in dogs, you'd see female dogs getting it on with other female dogs...but this certainly doesn't happen.

Precisely.

 

Yeah dogs act on an impulse. They do what ever to get rid of it. BTW I see two male dogs at it and I was scarred for life. That is why I don't raise dogs anymore!!

Well yeah, when males get a boner they think where they want to stick it in, unlike animals, who stick it in whoever they see.

BTW I think this whole thread is all mostly about gay males. <----I have nothing against it... And no I am not gay. Hahaha

 

It's mostly about gay males because the population of this forum is predominantly male. Haha.

Ironically enough (I can't even remember if I mentioned it in this specific topic or not...how's that for being stressed out with school S: ), embryologists claim that there is a reason why lesbians can be lesbians from birth: there is no such explanation for gay males.

The reason is simply that everyone begins development in a 'kind of' genderless way (It's more like an intermediate form, even though their genome has already been decided since conception). This state is more similar to the female embryonic state...so almost literally, everyone begins their life as a female.

Certain hormones and such prompt this intermediate form to turn into a male (things like testosterone). Two possible scenarios are that the baby is 'contaminated' (I'm oversimplifying for the sake of explanation...no disrespect meant) in a sense, and even though they have the genetic type of a female, they 'kind of' develop some male characteristics...the first of which are some mental/behavioural traits. Their brain becomes that much more like a male's brain.

The other scenario is more rare...and you basically have males who don't fully develop into males for some reason or another (ie. a testosterone deficiency). You then pretty much have males who look like females.

However...this does not transfer to males, because if you're a guy...you've already developed the mentality of a guy as it's the first thing to really change.

I personally think this is a bunch of bull-plop anyway; I prefer to think of people as being born with no preference, and instead they develop one...just like learning to like a food. (Why is it any different? It's a preference after all).

I kind of laughed when this one scientist (who was probably gay himself) devoted his career to exploring the genome of gay-men (his research involved gay-twins). His own study hurt his cause: There was no consistency found among the twins. In other words, there is no gay 'gene.'

I can give a reference for this last study if necessary, but I'd have to do some searching for it.

 

I was going to try and fight it but ahh screw it, no pun intended. I hate being the devils advocate.

 

There was a pregnant man in the movie Junior too, but nobody watched that!

(...Haha)