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KH Gapping Timeline Theory and The helper of Xehanort.

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep' started by EtherealSummoner, Oct 17, 2010.

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  1. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26


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    (THIS WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED, DON'T POST HERE OR BOTHER TO READ UNLESS YOU OWN BBS!)

    If all of you are so interested in why I am creating this thread, it is because I have an "epic" theory to say at least. I even created my own social group in the community section to try and figure out some things. Anyways, I have thought on this theory when I had just woke up from my bed for I don't know what was the reason and a whole lot of ideas just started to flow into me. The main section that hit me was when Yen Sid stated that Master Xehanort may be receiving help. That boggled me and I started to think things through, trying to figure out who might be helping him. Thus, I ended up creating a timeline:

    Master Xehanort lives on Destiny Island- ???- Master Eraqus, Xehanort and Yen Sid became keyblade masters- Yen Sid retired?- ???- Master Xehanort became Ventus' Master------------------ Master Eraqus died--- Terra possessed by MX--- Terra's armor fought against his possessed self-- Aqua defeats MX who possessed Terra--- MX tried to destroy Terra body but failed--- Terra and MX realized that Eraqus' heart is protecting them and begins to fight over it--- Xehanort who lost his memories was born-------- Xehanort's heartless and Nobody destroyed-- MX's return?

    Why are there underlines and dashes? It is because this either show that there are some importance there, there were some gaps missing or it is because I don't want to throw in so many details. As I was trying to figure out who might be Master Xehanort's helper, I started to make a list:

    Maleficent:

    Vanitus:

    Ansem?:

    Heartlesses of Ansem's Apprentices?:


    This is not the full villain's list because I am in a rush for church. I have started to ask myself these questions while I was focusing on this:

    1. Who was Master Xehanort's backup?

    2. What would become of Sora?

    3. Who are holding back some secrets that are hidden from behind the scenes?

    4. Who might be able to make some contribution but wasn't able to due to some event(s)?

    5. Is it possible that there may be a secret Disney villain who is backing up MX?

    6. Are there any other people who have not been spoken about that KH people didn't think about?

    I will give out more information about everything else later once I return from church but right now, this is what I can give out as of right now. I am still working on this but EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO TALK HERE BUT DON'T FORGET ABOUT WHAT I HAD STATED ABOUT SPOILERS ABOVE!!!


     

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  2. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    This is not news, and as such, is in the wrong section. *Moved*

    I haven't played BBS, so I can't say if your theory has merit or not.

    EDIT:

    @summoner:
    And inside of the section is a stickied thread that says that the area is for news only. But regardless, I don't know why you feel you have to argue with me about it.
     
  3. VentusSearcher

    VentusSearcher Steam is the only way....

    MX's helper is deffinetly Venitus! My question is when Ansem's imposter Xenort was distroyed did he some how come back to life as a real person? Like is Terra going to come back now in future games? Also I want to know why Yen Sid dropped out of being a Keyblade Master!?!?!?!?!
     
  4. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Spoilers!! Don't read this post if you don't like to be spoiled!!

    I had it under KH News because its caption said something about theories can be there so I put my theories in KH News.

    Also, it cannot be Ventus who was helping Master Xehanort. First off, Ventus is still sleeping in Castle Oblivion. Not only that, Master Xehanort tried to leave him dead when Ventus' heart was falling apart and that was during that time when Sora's heart connected with his to repair it. Ventus even lost all of his memories about his past but for some reason, I am going to throw in a person soon but I am not quite certain. Ventus was also Eraqus' apprentice during that time. In order to show all of you what I am talking about by "Helper" I will repost this link that SoratheKeybladeHolder gave out in another thread.

    YouTube - Kingdom Hearts Re: Coded Secret Ending English Subtitles - Kingdom Hearts 3 Preview [1080p HD]

    As for Yen Sid retiring as a keyblade wielder, I am guessing that he is one of those people who likes to "Pass the torch" on to someone else. I am guessing that torch was to Mickey since the Star Seeker keyblade was actually Yen Sid's.

    I have also came up with some other fascinating facts that must not be overlooked. In the Land of Departure as you see Terra and Aqua stand before Eraqus and Master Xehanort for the Mark of Mastery Test, you can see that it is only Eraqus and Master Xehanort but there are only three chairs. Only two of those chairs are occupied. What has happened to the third?

    1. The third keyblade master might be Yen Sid but he have retired and did not bother to come.
    2. The third keyblade master might be someone else but have disappeared and never was mentioned (Might be the one who is helping Master Xehanort.)

    Then comes Terra himself. it is true that Master Xehanort and Terra became one in order to form the Xehanort who became Ansem's apprentice but that is very hard to say. Destroying the heartless that holds the heart and the flesh of the nobody may bring back a person but shouldn't that mean that it should also bring back Terra too? Terra's armor is being used by Terra's thoughts and emotions. Terra's heart even try to go against Master Xehanort. It is a possibility that:

    1. Terra might come back.
    2. Terra's heart is delaying Master Xehanort from becoming whole.

    We can also throw in the fact that Master Eraqus' heart was a part in this. Would this mean that He too would come back, I cannot say. Eraqus did not succumb by the darkness and he did not produce a heartless and a nobody. He was killed naturally by his betrayer.
     
  5. VentusSearcher

    VentusSearcher Steam is the only way....

    What Yen Sid means is that Terra is with MX. The man he was talking about how MX was not alone, that is terra! Because when Ansem and Xenort were defeated MX and terra split apart.

    Also I didn't say ventus I said Venitus!


    And since this video is out, they must be working on KH3! I guess the team that was working on BBS is working on it I think!
     
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  6. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    It's VANITAS! Not Venitus. Venitus reminds me of Ventus.

    I doubt that Terra is even helping out Master Xehanort since Terra's heart and Eraqus are going against him. You are technically misinterpreting what Yen Sid is saying.

    If Master Xehanort and Terra have seperated, then they should have appeared somewhere else than popping up at the same place at the same time. I am most certain that Master Xehanort failed to completely have complete control over Terra's temple so he is assuming his alternative plan. Question number one still don't have a conclusion opinion from me as of right now.

    As for question number two, I am at a breaking point. If Yen Sid and Mickey realizes that Ven's heart resides within Sora, then it is a possibility that Yen Sid might also want to use the Mark of Mastery to extract that heart. They still don't have no idea as to where his body might be and Yen Sid also stated that they only have one Keyblade Master. To me, that master is Aqua.

    I am still thinking things through.
     
  7. Kit

    Kit New Member

    Personally, when he said they only had one master, I thought he meant Mickey. Ten years is a long time to still be an apprentice.
     
  8. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Yen Sid is actually referring to Aqua. She was the only one who passed the Mark of Mastery test. Even though Mickey has a keyblade for ten years, he didn't take the Mark of Mastery (Well, maybe if you count the part as to when Mickey failed to dodge one of Yen Sid's thunderbolt.) Sora and Riku did not take one yet.

    As for number three, I am so confuse. Why? Well, I have several people.

    Yen Sid: Very curious as to why he wondered as to who may be helping Master Xehanort or as to why he know so much about nobodies, heartless and other phenomenon. I am also trying to figure out if he know more about the keyblade war than Eraqus and Master Xehanort.

    Kairi's Grandma: Don't know why I threw her in this. I was wondering about this because I am more interested as to how she know about the story about light and darkness. She may have changed it into a child's tale but I think that she may know a little more; Alas, she is deceased. Because she is gone, we don't even know if Kairi's mom have anything to do with this at all.

    Namine: THE NUMBER ONE PERSON OF THEM ALL!! I really think that she would make a big contribution as to the one who holds a lot of secrets. i started to wrap a theory about her as to how she was form in the KH Gapping group:

    Sora sacrificed himself to free Kairi. Kairi used her light to save Sora from being a heartless. The birth of Roxas and Namine took place but Namine was born from Kairi's heart and Sora's body and soul.

    Since Namine was born from Sora's soul, then it is possible that she also obtained Sora's younger memories of encountering Ven's heart? Am I am right? Ven is also one of the people closest to Sora. Since Namine was born from Sora's body, she not only have the power over memories, but it is possible that she has learned about the memories of Ventus. Ven's heart has became a part of Sora so there are no doubts from my opinion that she has learned about Ven, Aqua and Terra while talking to Mickey and the Data Sora. THIS IS WHEN I REALIZED THAT SHE MIGHT ALSO HAVE LEARNED MORE ABOUT VEN'S PAST BEFORE BBS! Is it possible that she might know who cold be the villain to lead Master Xehanort's footsteps, I am not sure but only because Ven being Master Xehanort's apprentice was only four years but this may also be countered by the fact that Vanitus is a part of Ven, meaning that she may have the memories of Vanitus as well.
     
  9. Kit

    Kit New Member

    Just because we never saw Mickey's Mark of Mastery test, that doesn't mean he's still an apprentice. I'd be amazed to find that after ten years under Yen Sid, the master never thought to give Mickey the test. I'm 85% certain that Mickey is a master, and his test was conducted off-screen during the 10-year interlude between BBS and KH1. I say 85% because there's always the chance I'm completely and absolutely wrong, but I'm confident in my conclusion.
     
  10. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    You can use the keyblade and you still don't become a Keyblade Master. Sora used a keyblade and he is not a master. Look at Terra and Ventus. They are using the keyblade and they are not Keyblade Masters. Terra failed once going against Aqua. Not only that, keyblades can choose whomever they deemed capable of using them. Mickey did show that he was capable of wielding the keyblade due to us seeing Yen Sid giving him the Star Seeker but to actually know that he has became a Master is out of the question.

    As for question number four, I think that I have already answered that through question three based on Namine and Kairi's grandma.
     
  11. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    He was stating that Mickey most likely was tested off screen, not "Mickey has a keyblade, so he must be a master".

    Anyway, your questions in order:

    1. Who was Master Xehanort's backup?

    I believe it has something to do with Braig. The fact that MX's true state was restored means its fully possible for Braig's to have been as well.

    2. What would become of Sora?

    Sora is always going to be the protagonist, we know this for a fact. One thing I do expect to see is Sora and Vanitas crossing blades, as well as Sora wielding the X-blade.

    3. Who are holding back some secrets that are hidden from behind the scenes?

    I'm not fully following the question, since everyone was hiding things from behind the scenes. Maleficent certainly is, MX obviously is, at LEAST Xigbar was, if not the other original organization members as well.

    4. Who might be able to make some contribution but wasn't able to due to some event(s)?

    I'm not sure of the pertinence to this question.

    5. Is it possible that there may be a secret Disney villain who is backing up MX?

    Of course its possible but, I find it unlikely. Disney Villians have been weeded out of main villian roles after KH1, I'd find it more likely it is Braig or Vanitas.

    6. Are there any other people who have not been spoken about that KH people didn't think about?

    Organization XIII isn't gone forever. I expect to see many of their complete forms again in the future.
     
  12. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    1. ??? I never did think of Braig being the one to back up Master Xehanort but that was because I was thinking about his heartless that may not have been destroyed in the process. Might as well throw him into the mix.

    2. Vanitus will 99% will not be coming back. He is a part of Ven now to make Ven whole again. The X-blade being used may be a possibility but I don't know if Sora would be able to use it.

    3. I would also like to throw in Kairi (Don't start bashing on me and her together now.) because she might have learned something about her mother and maybe some more importance to light and darkness. Might not be possible because she can't even remember her home world of Radiant Garden.

    5. XD Judge Frollo of "The Huncback of Nortre Dame" perhaps. He would be the greatest backup villain for a Disney character. Maybe...

    6. The human forms of Larxene, Marluxia, Demyx, and Luxord still need to be seen though. I would also would like to know more about Kairi's mom. Don't know anything about her. I really don't care for Sora and Riku's parents though. Really don't care as to who was the mayor who adopted Kairi.

    I am still keeping the Namine factor in this theory. A lot of people on another site finds this very intriguing when I brought her up. I am half-way through my theory as of now
     
  13. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    1. May not have been destroyed, but Xehanort's Heartless is the only one to take a human form. Braig's heartless could easily have been any heartless destroyed througout the series.

    2. Ven isn't whole again, which is why Vanitas has a HIGH probability of returning. Ventus is a part of Sora, and I bet the method that will eventually seperate the two will also revive Vanitas in the process. Also, if anyone can wield the X-blade, it is Sora. He's obviously not only the main character, but also the Door to Light and so many other things crucial to the story. Sora is clearly "the chosen one" or whatever you want to call it, he's the greatest hero in the Kingdom hearts Universe, and the only one that has the potential to wield the X-blade to its fullest capability

    3. Kairi is possible, but her amnesia makes me doubt she's really keeping any secrets, she just may not remember them

    5. Lol, Scar is my favorite disney villian and we already killed him so, I don't care about them anymore :p

    6. I don't think the parents are crucial to the story. Kairi's grandma's importance is essentially how she knows about the legend that only Xehanort and Eraqus seem to know as well. If the parents were so important, they would've been seen more before now.
     
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  14. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    2. I said that Ven was whole again because he was the one who destroyed Vanitus to make the Unversed extinct and to make Vanitus a part of his heart again. Ven is not whole without his heart though so it is true that Ven is a part of Sora. As for the X-Blade, I was thinking that only Ventus is the only one capable of wielding it. I wasn't thinking about Sora in the process but we could include him for that factor. In other words, Ventus/Vanitus and Sora are the only two (Unless we exclude Sora) who can wield it.

    3. Her memories could have came back over time. Most likely when Roxas reminded Kairi about Sora in KH2. Might be even after KH2.

    6. I wasn't thinking about Sora's and Riku's parents. i never did cared for them. I am more certain about Kairi's mom. It might be possible that Nomura wanted to show that Kairi's mother had some contribution but didn't want to show it. Who knows? Kairi's mother may not have anything to contribute and that she wasn't thought up at all but we can't cross this hypothesis out completely.

    -_- And yet, I am still stuck on Namine. I also want to know if there was someone else who was on Destiny Island with Master Xehanort when he was young and had the desire to leave off the island.
     
  15. Zipher

    Zipher New Member

    no it HAS to be aqua in my opinion, and i respect your opinion, but when mickey said they found ventus' heart yen sid commented that they only now needed to find terra, therin stating the know where aqua is so she therein HAS to be the master to whom is referred, i dont think mickey is into being a master i think he just wants the keyblade in order to do good for the worlds
     
  16. Zipher

    Zipher New Member

    Zenrot actually made me think of something cuz he mentioned ansem being the only heartless to take a human shape, and im pretty sure it was stated by square enix that it was because he willingly gave himself over to the darkness, if thats true there should have been one other human heartless, and thats sora because he turned the dark keyblade on himself and lost his heart on purpose therein should have been a human heartless not a wimpy shadow heartless!! haha
     
  17. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    It is not possible for Sora because Kairi used her powers to save Sora so it wasn't possible for Sora to create himself a heartless form.

    May someone please go over my post about my theory on Namine. really want to know what all of you think about her. I also find it weird that Namine was born in Castle Oblivion but Roxas was born in Twilight Town. I am guessing that Namine was born in Castle Oblivion because of Ven's body there but I am not sure.
     
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