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Enough is Enough

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Soul Knight, Feb 9, 2010.

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  1. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    No, I don't think it has anything to do with feminism, and honestly, it pisses me off a little whenever you disregard things I say for being "feminist".

    You were spanked as a kid, and you like the idea of spanking kids now, yes? And if you have spent time around children, as I have for years (and I see many of these kids much more often than their own parents do), you would notice that young children who get spanked will turn around and hit other children, sometimes even their parents. 'Mommy and Daddy hit me, so it must be okay for me to hit, too.' Kids learn by watching what their parents do. This has nothing to do with whatever you think feminism is about. It is what I see with my own eyes. Of course, if you have the experience I do, feel free to prove me wrong.

    I don't think I can even explain this any better, because it makes perfect sense to me. As children grow into adults, they desire to become independent. If you as a parent refuse to let them make any choices at all, then I think they would become resentful of that lack of freedom and act out.

    I still don't think it is likely at all. Sex sells, and people know it.
     
  2. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    Well what would you have me call it?

    Okay first no parent likes to spank their kid, unless they're a child abuser or something. Spanking a kid teaches them right and wrong. Like if a Kid touches the stove when it's hot and gets burn, yes it hurts but they know not to do it again cause they are afraid to do it and that keeps them safe.

    And there is a big difference between spanking and hitting. Hitting a kid is evil.

    Wow some people actually think like that? And it makes sense to them? Don't they understand their parents are trying to protect them cause they love them?

    See with me I love rules, I am all about rules. I love for there to be rules for me to follow, I like to have something to restrict me from doing anything I want. I never felt resentment because I know that as long as I follow the rules then I will be safe and everyone will love me and it makes me better than a drunk or smoker, or drug dealer because I was strong enough not to be tempted by any of that. IMO it's how well someone follows the rules that determines if they are good or bad. If a child does not follow the rules they get punished and they should understand why they were punished and a good kid should be rewarded.

    Which is why I want to see my sister squirm like a worm on a hook because she was the bad apple of the family. I'm the one who never did bad things like drugs and I am the one going to college so I deserve more for my love of the rules. IMO Rules are more important than people.


    People who like casual sex disgust me, honestly it's perverted.
     
  3. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Generally, I think most people do, even if they might not want to admit it. What I am responding to, like I said in the last post, is the idea of not allowing children to make ANY decisions and keeping them purposely ignorant about some topics (specifically for this thread, sex). I don't think that is a healthy environment, and I think it would be stifling and cause resentment, especially during teenage years. I don't think a child living like that would feel comfortable discussing things like sex with their parent (especially if the parent only brings sex up to say it is bad).

    I think this would be very confusing. You're giving these kids two very different messages here.

    I don't think spanking teaches right from wrong. I think it teaches a child not to do something in order to avoid the physical pain, which isn't the same thing. And if you didn't like the idea of spanking (or perhaps, the benefits you think you would get from it), you wouldn't want to use it on your own kids.

    Life doesn't work as simply as this. You cannot guarantee safety, or being loved (and certainly not by everyone).
     
  4. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    Well okay whatever, let's get back to the topic. The point is Planned Parenthood is a sick corrupt organization and this case proves it. We need to get rid of planned parenthood and keep them from corrupting kids. Kids should be watching cartoons and stuff, not learning about Sex. Heck when I was 10 I didn't know what sex was, I was more concerned about if Goku was going to defeat Majin Buu and save the world on DBZ.
     
  5. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    You're the one who dragged it off topic to begin with. :rolleyes:

    Planned Parenthood might not be perfect, but I think it does some good. It's a little drastic to say that it is a "sick, corrupt organization" in my opinion. Whether or not you agree with abortions or birth control, I think they have resources which could help parents discuss some of these more uncomfortable topics with their kids, and clinics offer general health care, which might end up being cheaper for people of low incomes.

    And maybe when you were 10, all you thought of was cartoons, but kids these days (girls, I'm thinking of specifically) are maturing much more quickly and entering puberty around that age. And even if kids are being told about sex ed and what to expect from changing bodies at age 10, I seriously doubt they think about it all the time. They still watch cartoons and do the kid stuff we all did at that age. In fact, I think my school first started talking with us about puberty and so on around 4th grade- so age 9 or 10, or so. And that was 15 years ago.

    ^From the Planned Parenthood website. I don't see anything wrong with this goal. These teens, and pre teens, are going to have sex whether the adults want them to or not, and they shouldn't be completely ignorant about it.
     
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  6. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    You don't honestly believe that right? Look Planned Parenthood makes money for every abortion they perform so what this is all about is Planned Parenthood wants to teach the pleasures of sex to younger kids so they will get pregnant and go have an abortion and planned parenthood gets rich. Planned Parenthood wants kids to ruin their life, get pregnant and kill unborn children for a profit.

    And you're going to sit there and tell me that Planned ParentHood isn't corrupt and sick? Give me a break,

    But what I want to know is why? Why don't they act like their grandparents did when their grandparents were their age? Why is chidlren learning about Sex accepted in society now? It's wrong.


    Of course Planned Parenhood is going to say that, they will never admit the truth. If you think it's appropriate telling kids that sex is pleasurable then you're a pervert there is no other way to put it. Obviously you have no problem with Kids being sexualy activate so there is no reasoning or compromising with you. Therefore I am finished with this debate.
     
  7. Avalantos

    Avalantos Mr. Detective

    Your being a narrowminded fool, who doesnt leave his perfect little box to understand things and this is why I honestly thought your were a person trolling this forum. I don't understand how a mentally sane person can think like you do.
    You know there are many many ways to prevent pregnancy whilst having sex and at the same time protect you.

    Children / teens have always learned about sex one way or another, thousands of years ago it would probably have been at a younger age than we learn now, but we can teach it properly now.



    But sex is pleasurable, if you dont teach them that then it defies the whole point, sex isn't and has never been solely for reproduction, and have to say I have no problem with teens (as children really cant) being sexually active, as long as they know everything about it.

    Hell, if I had learnt some of this shit at a younger age things would have been smoother for me.
     
  8. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Um... having sex before marriage is not a sin SK. It's just not right in God's eyes. Also SK, I don't think christians will even have the power to stop others from putting sex in movies and the likes because it is adult material, which people already know that they cannot let their children watch it unless they give their kids permission. ??? What in the world is a Pedophile?
     
  9. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Yeah, I am going to sit here and tell you that Planned Parenthood isn't corrupt or sick. I have already stated in other threads that I am pro-choice (and why, so I'm not going to get into it here), so I don't have an irrational hatred for all things abortion-related. And I think they can give a lot of aid and education to people who need it, about a variety of topics.

    And puh-lease. I seriously doubt that the people who work for Planned Parenthood really enjoy aborting babies. I think their job is to counsel people into making the decisions that best work for them, and to help people find the resources they need. They aren't taking an aborted fetus, chucking it in the garbage, and then going home to roll in a pile of money.

    Yeah, it's just one big conspiracy. :rolleyes:

    I'd tell you to try to be more open-minded, but it's pointless. In my life, I don't think I have ever met anyone as closed off and ignorant as you show yourself to be again and again in your posts.

    A girl doesn't choose to get her period at age 8. But it happens. And with that comes hormones and feelings they've never had before, so of course the idea of attraction to the opposite gender would be coming to them earlier. As to why more girls are developing earlier, I have no idea. That is the kind of question that Mike's genius would help to explain. But alas, he's not here.

    And maybe not in our grandparents' time, but women used to be (maybe still are in some places) married off extremely young, and were having families as pre-teens and teens. 'Course, the life expectancy was much shorter back then, but youngsters and sex is nothing new.

    Agreed.

    What I would like to see is the actual curriculum that PP thinks should be implemented, as I don't think they would be as explicit, especially to the very young, as some would think such a "corrupt" organization would be. I don't think telling children that sex is pleasurable is wrong. I think understanding why people would want sex (and how often do people do it solely for the purpose of reproduction? :rolleyes:) is important for them to understand why they should maybe wait a while. It gives them all the facts to weigh in their minds- the pros and cons.

    If you can't be respectful, get out. I don't appreciate being called a pervert, especially when it is unfounded. You have a nasty habit of name-calling whenever people don't agree with your own narrow-minded mindset. Perhaps you should look at the Debate Guidelines if you plan on posting in this section again.

    People who call themselves Christians enjoy the sex in the media too, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

    Seriously?
     
  10. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome



    See that is why alot of kids runaway or just complete dont listen to the parent. Your not supposed to have a robot child that does what you want all the time, your supposed to have someone you can teach and help, let them make mistakes and help them not make one;s in the future, i mean yes kids would be way more than bad, they would be monster. You cant stop someone from doing what they want, just look at bubble boy.
     
  11. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    Simple. If you are going to have sex, use condoms.

    If you are stupid enough and forget about the condom, use Plan B.

    If you are the dumbest bitch in the world, then don't have sex at all.

    You can't stop people from having sex. We do not ban individuality and sexuality here in America. We embrace it as a whole, the good and the bad.
     
  12. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    but we dont have to except the bad parts of it, we can do something about but ppl are to lazy. I really thin the ppl that are teaching this are dumb, they should stop, i mean kids today cus, and smoke and have sex at six grade or lower sometimes, so really all there doing is speeding up this process making it so fourth graders do the same thing and six graders even worse.
     
  13. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I disagree. I don't think that teaching kids sex ed. encourages them to have sex when they normally wouldn't. (If I were to blame something for encouraging young kids to have sex, I'd blame the media.) I think that teaching sex ed. helps show those kids who will have sex how to do so safely, however. And if kids are having sex younger, then it makes sense to me to start educating them about it younger. *shrugs*
     
  14. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    On sex ed classes,I think its bull.Not that it might cause kids or teens to have sex,but because I dont think it works.It is something that parents have to do,and even then it might not work because each person makes their own choices.Now it might help them make the decision to atleast use a condom so they dont get an STD/pregnant/whatever,but it isnt going to stop the sex.

    And it isnt just our generation who is having sex as teens,so did the last one.Our parents may not be the best at teaching us this,but at the same time they might just because of that.Personally,I havnt had sex with anyone,and if it keeps going this way I probably wont unless I get plastered.But people are going to go around f***ing each other.All that anyone,parent,teacher,and other wise can do is try to make them do it safe so they dont screw up big time.

    Oh,and while its now offtopic,18 wasnt,and in some places isnt,the youngest time someone good marry.You could have sex in marriage as low as 14,and lower I believe even further back in time.Think of that as you will.
     
  15. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    And that's what it should do. I don't think there's anything anyone can do to stop people from having sex, if that is their inclination. But if sex ed classes at least smarten someone up enough that they'll get a condom or go on birth control, then it does some good. Any education, in my opinion, is better than nothing.
     
  16. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    I am 19 and still a virgin. I choose to keep my virginity. There are plenty of times in my life where I could have lost it, wild drunken college parties, random strangers online, or the casual "friends." but I am smart enough to say no. I am not saying sex is bad, but some people can't control themselves. Look at the fuck tards on 16 and Pregnant. They CHOSE to not wear condoms, They CHOSE to have sex, and They CHOSE to have the baby. They can be smart and give it up or abortion but they kept the babies, and they complain. Having a baby isn't a walk in the park, as some will think.

    So have sex ed class is a good thing. It will teach children how to prepare or prevent STDS and Pregnancy. Like Toph said, it is the media. Music, Music Videos, and even Movies show sex to be cool and easy.
     
  17. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    that is true, but really this generation is worse than any other time. i mean looking at the numbers of statistic today, kids are babys at a higher rate than married couples and ppl over 18. Plus today it's almost normal to have a kid at 16 or 15. So sex ed classes dont do jack, they dont help at all to me, i've been in five or six, and all the say is dont do this or this is the risk, or what can happen, but they dont really help. They ,make it all boring and most ppl fall asleep. So i dont believe sex ed does much. Some ppl dont choose to have sex or have babies, ppl are also forced to, or to drunk to know what is happening.
     
  18. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    I agree choosing to have sex and not to wear a condom is bad but choosing to have the baby is the best desicion they could make. And they were smart to not abort it. See this is what I don't get about you, you say abortion is the smart thing, abortion is right, stop it! Okay you have no right to make fun of someone and call them stupid cause they chose life, cause they actually love their baby.

    People who choose not to abort are a hell of a better person than someone who does have an abortion and I want apologize for that cause that is what I believe to be right.

    And this is why I hate me generation, Why is sex so damn acceptable in society? It's stupid, I mean it's telling people their body has no value, that they have no value. Sex outside of marriage is degrading yourself, and now we want kids, little kids to have sex? Where do we draw the line?
     
  19. Misty

    Misty New Member

    Education is power. I would rather have kids be fully educated about sex and maybe experiment a bit then do it anyway (which they will, you just have to accept that) without real knowledge about what goes on, and end up hurting either themselves, their partner, or getting a girl pregnant.
    Do I think 10, 11, 12, 13 year olds should be having sex? No. Really, they can't comprehend what they're getting into, but you can't expect them to remain ignorant. If you don't teach them, they'll pick it up from somewhere else, and end up having misconceptions about sex that could have been prevented in the first place.
    We need to stop treating sex as such a taboo. Everyone does it (well except for members of the clergy and people who have chosen to remain celibate for life, but whatever) at least once in their life, and people are made so darn uncomfortable about it. I could never discuss sex with my mom, hell I was too afraid to tell her when I got my period, and I think I'm worse off for it. Young children are being put into these situations whether you like it or not; kids are reaching puberty earlier than before, they're going to be confronted with the issue of sex more than likely before they enter high school. The only way to prevent it is to teach them the dangers and the truth about it, just as would for drugs, alcohol, etc. (no, I am not putting sex on the same level as drugs, I'm just noting that education about drugs starts at a very early age, and sex ed should too.) The entire sex ed system needs to be revamped, at least in America. The only thing I learned was how to properly put on a condom. :/
     
  20. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    I don't think we're telling little kids to have sex here. I think 10 is an acceptable age to begin being taught and aware of sex. I did the whole sex ed thing from grade 5, filled with 9-10 year olds. Parents sign a permission slip saying that they want their kids to attend or not attend. So here, we can narrow it down to parent hood as well I guess.
    And who says the educators are telling the children the pleasures of sex? It was more of how babies are made back in my fifth grade. Then the net year it was more about how things work and the year after that it was concerning about safety (so condoms, birth control etc). Not once was "sex is a pleasure" discussed during that time, although Masturbation was mentioned at the very end but at that point, kids are still closed off about sex and will treat it as a joke.
    example, a kid would yell out "haha, Billy is a wanker" if this kid named Billy were to simply touch himself for one reason or another (like re-arranging underwear).
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    EDIT
    Ha, my mistake, I didn't take the time to read the article due to certain circumstances.
     
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