Religion

i do believe in God because, what brings you joy, happiness and many things, its all Gods doing, all wonderfull things are gods doing, all who praise him and worship him anhas faith beliefs and hope that god had died for are sins, will be given wonderfull things. if you don't then your life would be choas, the devil will take ovee your life and separate you from god,nothing good will happen if you loose faith in god*creator of heaven and earth* but you can come back to god if you reborn as a chritian.

 

Don't believe in the devil.

If there is a devil.

It's man.

And dude. No offense but that praising style is really offensive. "You'll come back a christian". Seriously? Thanks but once was enough.

I really dislike the type of people who come in to some place and start preaching about their religion in a "mightier-than-thou" style who think they're teaching the neanderthals and heathens. Especially when they say contradicting things. Last I heard reincarnation wasn't a belief of the Christan system. Or the Catholic. Unless I missed that Sunday School lesson.

Personally I'd like to go back to Mother Chaos.

Oh and it wasn't God that died, it was Jesus. Unless you wanna go the whole round-about saying how Jesus is God.

 

lol

Careful though...challenging kirairiato's wording doesn't challenge the ideas behind them.

Besides...you can't really conclude there's no devil, you can merely argue that he isn't what everyone says he is. Santa Claus existed, he simply wasn't the old fat guy that everyone thinks he was.

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In regards to your thought experiment...the machine that would theoretically travel the ethereal plane and whatnot...I don't think even then, we would have proof. Simply because we know nothing about our true surroundings.

Do you have consciousness? As far as you know, yes. But as far as I know, you're just text on my computer. I don't know for absolute certain that you are a sentient being as I am (or at least as I witness). And for you, the same applies in reverse.

I may be able to trace your IP back to a human being, and come meet you in person...but how do I know this person operates as I do? I can't experience it for myself, so I have no proof.

You touched upon that with your whole 'death is waking from a dream' thing.

 

but, Jesus is a son of God right?

 

He was said to be the son of God, yes. But people will argue that Jesus was also God's living form or something like that.

Mike. I say I don't believe in him because for him to have become a Fallen Angel as he is described as in Catholic and Christian -I'm unfamiliar with any other devil- works, he would need something God gave us. Free Will. If a creature doesn't have free will, they also cannot have free thought. Free thought would allow them to go against their servitude to God and God being all knowing would know that, wouldn't he?

 

Assumption 1.

Assumption 2.

The problem is, if there's a God, He's so complex that you couldn't figure out his motives. I'm of the opinion, for instance, that everyone, including the devil should he exist, would find their way out of the abyss (should it exist).

What does eternity mean exactly? You, a mere human, don't know and can't perceive what it is. (Don't get me wrong, I can't either...I'm simply acknowledging that I don't know, whereas you are assuming you've got God figured out (should He exist)).

 

No I don't have God figured out. But the labels people put on a God such as the Catholics and the Christians make it easy to define him in such a way that you can dismiss or accept him/her/it.

If there's a God, we don't know what it is exactly, so why do we have religions that try and define God?

Is it because of our fears? Or is it because we wish to conform to something everyone else goes with?

 

Could just be a misunderstanding. It kinda goes like this. If you die and go to Hell, you truly die. If you die and go to Heaven, you're given a new life, or something like that. I don't quite remember.

It's the Holy Trinity. God. One being, three different forms. God the Father is what everybody would consider God to be. God the Son is Jesus. And God the Holy Spirit is the third form. I don't know too much about the Holy Spirit, so I'm not really the one to answer questions about Him.

Because religions that believe in one god are supposed to be God's attempt to reach out to us.

 

I'm with u man.
But i more so believe that the "devil" is Man's Pride. Ego is the devil. Our greatest enemy is ourselves...our Pride.
Ever seen the movie Revolver? Its awesome, and the whole movie is based on that principle.

 

Because everyone believes something (as I noted in the other thread).

You believe there's God, you believe there's no God, you believe God is purple, you believe God is not purple.

Everyone believes something. No one will figure it out, even if God Himself laid down some holy scripture direct from His mouth (which many religions believe, mind you), people will misunderstand it because they're just stupid people.

It doesn't mean you shouldn't try...if we weren't meant to try, then:

Case A) There is a reason we are able to try (ie. God exists for instance):

-Then we should take advantage of the priveledge

Case B) Everything is hopeless and a big colossal accident, and hence efforts are futile (ie. nihilism/minimalism):

-Then there's no harm done.


In either case we should try...since we can.

 

you think the devil is our pride
hehe
man your religous faith it so low that i can't even explain it.
our pride is not the devil
god banished an angel because the other angels said she/he was beautiful and take over god position but god refuse and banish him/her also with the angel following her/him.
IF you think that we existed because of some scientific explanation you will seriously be punish, you can't prove god power.
our pride..........
god given us a choice, and if you think that way, then well be it
i pray for you so i you can have a happier life then you have now.
temptation... temptation is a way that the demon worker and devils are controlling your life and ruining, making feel like nothoing-shouldn't live in this world. but if you believe in god thenalll those thinking is gone, you have joy happiness etc.

last saying christian and catholic are not the same

 

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For a Christian/Catholic you ain't very humble.

If God banished Lucifer that would mean God is not all forgiving which your religion says he is. If he were all forgiving he wouldn't have banished Lucifer in the first place. However in order for Lucifer to defy God and challenge an all powerful being he would need free will. Something God did not give his angels who are supposed to serve him for all eternity without being disobedient. Now if he did give angels free will that would serve no point in creating us. Also a creature of free will and free thought would know that he could not possible stand up to the power of God. Seems a bit odd that just because other angels said he was more beautiful or a more proper leader he would become vain enough to challenge an all powerful being.

IF you think we were created from two humans because God said so, you sir believe in incest. You can't prove God's power either, and what if God thought about letting us evolve instead of just making us as is? Are you that arrogant about the human race that you believe we are the highest work of God?

Don't pity him because he chooses a different path from yours. Don't say you'll pray for him when maybe it is you who needs the prayers. What if his life is truly happier than yours because you think you know the difference between good and evil. Right and wrong, better and worse.

As I said before get off your high horse.

Even if you believe in God those thoughts don't perish. They linger still but you ignore them because of your beliefs.

I have happiness, I have joy, and I only thank God for the existence he might have started. I don't thank him for the choices I make in my life because I make those. If God exists I would assume he plays no more part in our lives than he did the dinosaurs. I'd assume all he did was give nature one order and nature experiments with us and other creatures for the result God wants.

Like a child in a science room filled with books, God may know the out come of everything but what if he wanted to see it?

God doesn't interact with lowly creatures because then they would rely on him to much. Blame him for things that were needed -death, disease, famine what have you-. He created everything. Did he not? Don't fall back on him simply because he's there. Stand up and live your own life and don't you dare pity other people for the way they live!

 

Intersting views.

Forgiveness is a two way street. The first step of being forgiven is wanting that forgiveness. Then having to make an effort to be forgiven.

 

Correction: If God were to interact with lowly creatures in an obvious way, then as I said, it'd be obvious. God would exist...period. No doubts.

Everyone present would believe...whether they would have liked to or not...which goes against Free Will.

The gift of Free Will comes with a price...uncertainty.

 

Thanks for that correction Mike.

 

Well I just meant that if God exists, then we rely on Him a whole lot don't we?

Whether we see Him or not, He's working backstage to make this show possible...whether He directly shows Himself to us or not.

So I presented that other reason, as to why God doesn't just show Himself to everyone to eliminate doubt...seems reasonable enough to me.

 

-sigh-
aaa god didn't create dinosouar, dinosuar really didn't exist
in my opinion. im happy that you thank god for everything but your explanation in its belef
are kinda not really what .....................
im not gunna really say it because whatever i say it bouncese back.....

 

Dinosaurs don't really exist? Wth? What do you call those fossils in museums? Hunks of rocks that just so happen to look like beast of lore? Or maybe you just it's just a conspiracy that scientists and paleontologists made up to disprove that God created man?

 

don't get the last one,also tell me why did god create those type of creatures then, when human did not live in the earth then. also why didn't he create human first instead of dinosuar?

 

Wow a human supremacist. What you're saying now is that humans always have been and always will be the center of God's world. How special do you think we are that an almighty being will give a planet to us and say "do with it what you will because I don't care about it or it's creatures, I care only about you". Seriously? God cares more about humans then a mouse? Hell no. In God's eyes everything is supposed to be equal. He favors no creature more than the other.

You didn't get the last one because you might need to expand your vocabulary.

God would have created those creature -remember this is from a human point of view trying to grasp God's plan- because he ain't pulling the strings. He lets nature do that. Every creature at the beginning of this planet started out as nothing more than something small. Then we begin to evolve into various creatures -as God intended nature to do-. Thus you get the dinosaurs who at their time were the peak of evolution. Then the great disaster that wiped them out set everything back so only the strongest or the most able to adapt survived. That's when you get our ancestors.

Not Homo sapien sapien .. I don't recall what the scientific name was, but eh.

God didn't create humans first because he set everything in motion to happen for a reason. Had we been born first we most likely would have had the blunt end of the disaster that hit the dinosaurs and dinosaurs would rule instead -mind you this is a lot of what ifs-