Summit+North Korea= Terrorist Attack?

I call it as I see it. I mean, look at the War. How much money did we put into that. I mean during Clinton everything was good because he didn't do that much.

 

what bush, was doing wasn't crazy, don't how to really explain it.
but it was a drastic measure he had to do. also give a reason how he F up the economy, bush was agood president who didn't do things for his own reason but for country safety

 

Ok, you know what. Let me say this. The economy is some where, were it shouldn't be. It is down there due to previous president dating back to FDR, some what, and when Obama got into office, it just pile up and the people blame him because he is at the end of it.

So that is wrong to just put the blame on him. I understand that he is the leader, but he has other things to worry about.

Didn't he say, It will get worst before everything is back to good?

 

And where is your proof? You can't base you findings on opinion.

Here is what Obama did so far:

Froze the salaries for top White House staff members. This is a largely symbolic act, but might be an important one.


Set a deadline for the closing of Guantanimo Bay. Some of his supporters would say this is a great thing because they believe it operates as something from the Dark Ages. Others believe this characterization to not be true, and that no plan will be put place to determine what to do with the prisoners. Time will tell.


Fast-tracked the process to apply new fuel standards to 2011 car models AND initiated steps to allow California to set its own standards for auto emissions that are stricter than that of the Federal government. Again, this is a measure that some of his supporters hail as a grand step forward, while his detractors(or flamers) point out that it could provide an additional severe drag on the economy, especially in car manufacturing areas.


Signed a detailed executive order to ban torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners.


Asked the military leadership to engage in additional planning necessary to execute a responsible military drawdown from Iraq.


Released the interrogation memos without consulting the Bush staff and/or Bush about it. And they were only partially released some of the information in the memos were not made public.


Signed an executive order that restored a 30-day timeframe for former presidents to review records before they are released. It also eliminated the right for the vice president or family members of former presidents to do the reviews.


Signed an executive order that requires that appointees sign forms saying that they were not hired because of political affiliations or contributions. This is far from an unbeatable measure, but is an important early step towards cleaning up governmental hiring policies. It is easier to prove someone lied when their signature is right next to the statement in question.


Signed an order banning gifts from lobbyists and banning anyone from working in an agency they had lobbied in previous years. Promptly made the order toothless by immediately granting a waiver to a former defense lobbyist.


Lifted a ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information.

Granted his first TV interview as president to Al-Arabiya, a channel described as a "voice of moderation" to the Middle East. His supporters call this a very smart move to help angered nations and groups feel a bit less cast aside, and let them know that they need not resort to violence to be made a part of the world discussion. Detractors point out that this is the type of thing Neville Chamberlain would have done, though a TV interview and "the Munch Agreement" are leagues apart.

 

I've deliberately stayed away from this debate because it will probably get heated**...but I have to respond to this, because the integrity of this discussion is at stake.

(** if anyone doesn't know / remembers, I had a 'leaving' topic in the Introductions forum because I had some serious headaches. Turns out I required some surgery, and now that I'm back I'm keeping my stress levels down (please look for my topic if you're interested/concerned))

(And I'm sorry for putting something personal like this into a debate, but I feel like I'm pretty active in this forum so people who may not check the other forum have a right to know. My apologies)

This is about as bad as saying "You can't comment on the abortion debate, you're not a woman."

"You don't even know what childbirth is like!" says the 13 year old girl who has never been pregnant, and hence has no clue either.

Silly right? How is this any different?

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One can argue that in America, your opinions are heavily biased by propaganda as well. Being in such close proximity isn't always a good thing. It's like the painting that you have to step back from to get the full grasp. (Some styles, when you look up close they look like dots and lines, and then you can't see the entire picture until you look from far away)

I'm not claiming this is the case, I'm not suggesting that propaganda is playing a role here (nor am I suggesting it's not), again I'm not getting involved in this particularl discussion...but to claim someone has a better perspective simply because they reside in America, "Just because" is not a good argument. I just gave a potential argument of why it could be a bad thing.

 

Ok, you're starting to think I have a thing against Americans because, in my first post in the topic, I poked a hole in your argument, and gave no other indication of my thoughts on the actual matter of discussion?

Stop and think for a moment before saying anything else. You're making your side look rather silly here...

 

should be a qoute of kairi and soul knight........
sorry forgot

i agree with you, and im not even a citizen of america, im a citixen of canada but born in the filipines

you guys support the real americann people who is trying to protect the city, but pulse and yukou you need to think the opposite and other opinions of kairi and soul knight , you just always neglect there answer, and just think your opinion of what obama doing is the rightway, you seriosuly need to improve your thinking of the economy not just by the president opinion but the whole american society,
also you haven't said who ruin the economybefore and also give fact proof, like what soul knight said

 

My post had nothing to do with being an american or not being an american (as I said a few times, I don't want to get involved in this discussion).

All I was doing was pointing out that there are two sides to every coin...but to exclude or discount someone's argument as a result of not being an American (or as I gave a similar example, not being a woman in the case of abortion) is well, kind of silly.

 

Ok, you know, the reason why I neglect their statements, is that they never gave Obama a chance. To tell you the truth, I never really voted for Obama. But since he is in office, I am willingly to give him my support as an American and not judge him based on his statements nor his action. I want to judge him based on what he do for his people. But some people never really gave him a chance. Bashing him that he is the worst thing that came to America, that his views are completely wrong, and that he is going to bring Amercia down.

Quite frankly, I do believe in Obama statement, when he say Americans are arogrant. Some Americans are truly stupid. Using their emotion to do things, while not thinking. What the hell is up with that. Just because you think you live in America, a country is free, that you can do what ever the hell you want? I want you guys to see how long in a third world country, where the people can't really speak for themselves. How long would you last in North Korea, China, or in the Middle East?

I support everything Obama does, because he is the leader. I mean something that he said is wrong, and I will question it. But he is a person who is open to change. If that means making peace with terrorist, then ok. I rather live in a world, where everyone is happy, terrorist or not. Reading your post, S.K. makes me think that you are afraid of change. Afraid of doing something different.

 

What do you want me to prove you wrong on?

That Obama is a bad president? That his ideas are wrong and that we should make a conservative?

You know what, you are right. Your are right that I don't watch C-Span and you are right that I am under inform about the growing problems in America.

*Claps*

1. I never said that you was wrong. I just want to you give Obama a chance. He is in office for less than a year, and here are you guys bashing him for something he is doing to try and fix the nation.

2. Abortion is abortion. It is part of human nature.

3. Hell yeah, I am a liberal. You got that right. I want change, whether it is bad or good, I want change. I am not afraid of change. Change is good for people.