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A Revelation About Ven!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep' started by Mythril Roxas, Jul 10, 2009.

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  1. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    I have a new theory ladies and gents about Roxas and Ven and alll that good stuff.
    I was watching this theory on Ven on youtube, and it was okay. It suggested that Ven was the Unbirth of Sora. Now we dont know a lot about unbirths, but lets try and figure some out real quick. We know they are souls. They dont have a heart for memories, and they dont have an actualy shell or anything like Heartless and Nobodies do. They are just souls. Now, lets look at the name. Unbirth. Unbrith means they weren't born, so its like souls of creatures that were never born. Why weren't they born? I dunno, there are multiple suggestions you could make. In a human's case, it could be a miscarriage. That would definetly be a common one.
    My overall theory is that Ven is Sora twin brother that died before being born. And thus Ven is an Unbirth. Roxas, as Sora Nobody and being half of him, received Ven's image because they were twins, and twins are apart of eachother in mysterious ways. We see this in real life, like how they can finish eachother's sentences and stuff.

    So yeah, thats it. Sora and Ven, the connectin in the names is that they both are related to Wind. How else would you connect the names?? They must be physically related, and I always had the theory of Ven being Sora's older brother.....but this newer theory has changed me.
    But you may be asking....why is Ven so much older than Sora in BBS? Like if they were twins, then why is he like 15 while Sora is like 4?
    Well, as in most games that have magic and spells and odd sorts of rules to their universe, it is very well possible that Ven being an Unbirth would not retain the image of a dead baby, but as an individual of an given age that is so chosen for them. And for Ven, it was about 15 or 16 im guessing.
    So yeah, theres the theory, thought i'd share it with you all.
     
  2. Aqua Fresh

    Aqua Fresh Anita ✿◠‿◠

    I think you're right. It can possibly be true.
     
  3. the dark within

    the dark within New Member

    possible..
     
  4. GuitarLegend

    GuitarLegend New Member

    Very clever theory, i think that could be true, only problem being, why does Sora not remember Ven, and plus Birth by Sleep is set a while before KH 1 isnt it?
     
  5. PaintedDragon

    PaintedDragon New Member

    huh....sounds a bit weird to me...
     
  6. Burnin'-Axel

    Burnin'-Axel Flurry of Dancing Flames

    not bad. sounds really good too.
     
  7. kirairiato

    kirairiato New Member

    hm..
    nice theory
    it is possible ven can be sora twin brother
     
  8. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Hm. Good. Good. Something does not come up right though with your theory. First off, may I have the link about Ven being the unbirth of Sora on youtube so I'll be able to see if I can really agree with your theory or not. Not only that, Ven being Sora's dead twin brother may be true, but it's very hard to agree with this since we don't even know anything about Sora's parents. Not only that, you've just gave out a evidence with "How can Ven be 15 when Sora is only 4?" This is BBS. Sora is 4 & Ven is 15, meaning that Ven must've been born before Sora. I do agree with the part of you saying that he did not attain the shape of a dead baby, because even if he was a unbirth, he would age. I understand where your understandment of this theory is shaping up, but to me, when you include the things that I said, there's a big doubt about this family relationship.

    Not only that, unbirths don't carry keyblades, so I doubt that Ven was a unbirth to begin with. If he was an unbirth, how was he was able to weild the keyblade? How did he met Master Xehanort? I do understand about the Ven/Sora/Roxas attaining Ven's body. Yes, their names means wind, but that does not mean that they are physically related. Ven being Sora's brother: Very hard to find. WHy? WE don't know anything about Sora's parents, Sora's memories of his parents, or where his parents came from.
     
  9. KH_Fangirl_75

    KH_Fangirl_75 New Member

    Clever! That actually sounds like a plausible theory.
     
  10. Kairi10

    Kairi10 Member

    thats true...the theory is a good one but we cant be completely sure about sora past though cuz it barely shows anything about it so i agree with you
     
  11. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    No we don't know anything about Sora's parents, we're not even sure if that's Sora's mother's voice calling him for dinner on KH1, so you're right there. (why mention that? it's a filler =P)
    And how can Ven be 15 while Sora is 4? Well Mythriil Roxas and you have said that he does not take the form of a dead baby and so in theory he takes the shape of a... Ven who looks like Roxas. And how are you sure that Unbirths don't age, and even if they did, Ven could have taken form that is a four years younger of what he is in BBS when he became an Unbirth, so Ven looks 15/16 but really is only 4.
    We still don't know what Unbirths really are or how they are created. We only know of the Soul Relation they have.

    Is it confirmed that Unbirths cannot Wield Keyblades? Until that is confirmed 100%, Unbirths could wield Keyblades.
    And if we go to one of my crazy ideas where Ven is an Unbirth, maybe he doesn't have a Keyblade and it's a weapon that just looks like a Keyblade. Which of course is crazy as teasers and trailers mention him holding a Keyblade.
    (I'll be extremely false with this quote because I don't remember any of the quotes from the trailers. But I think I remember the mention of Keyblade with Ven)
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    Many things still are still unconfirmed for us so almost anything could be plausible.
    You could be right you could be wrong, who knows until BBS or more is released from Nomura himself.

    I myself have an interest in The theory of Sora having a dead twin via miscarriage or something, BBS is meant to be a sad story so with Death involved, maybe it works out?
     
  12. Cameron

    Cameron New Member

    About the Unbirths carrying of Keyblade, let's remember the fact that in the Kingdom Heart series many things have been done even if we have doubted it. I got to go with Rawr in this subject, because I don't believe that it has been confirmed as 100% that they cannot. And again, maybe something has happened to Ven in the past thus he can wield a keyblade, no?

    Because Kingdom Hearts depends on its twisting plot all the time, there is a possibility that something has happened to Ven so he can wield a keyblade (if he's an Unbirth anyway), becomed too close to light, been too close to the darkness. Aaything can happen.
     
  13. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Is it confirmed that Unbirths cannot Wield Keyblades? Until that is confirmed 100%, Unbirths could wield Keyblades.
    And if we go to one of my crazy ideas where Ven is an Unbirth, maybe he doesn't have a Keyblade and it's a weapon that just looks like a Keyblade. Which of course is crazy as teasers and trailers mention him holding a Keyblade.
    (I'll be extremely false with this quote because I don't remember any of the quotes from the trailers. But I think I remember the mention of Keyblade with Ven)

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    Well, there could be a exception to Ven IF he is a unbirth able to being a keyblade wielder, just like Roxas being Sora's nobody & Xion created from Sora's memories. We better not go off subject because we don't even know anything about the origins of the keyblades anyways or how Ven came about & if there is a relation between Sora & Ven in the first place. To me, base on Mythril's theory about Ven being Sora's twin, this is almost like another Valkyrie Profile 2: Simeria in a kind of way.
     
  14. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    i thougth chasers where unbirths and they had keyblades.
     
  15. Cloud

    Cloud Guest

    Well the nobodies can wield them (Roxas) and so can the heartless (Xemnas [kh1 Riku]) so it would make since that they could and you know that since usually in KH games the boss summons the main enemy in that game. Kh1 heartless kh2 nobodies so in KH master xahanort during the trailer must have summoned an unbirth as that clone who came out of him. And he wields the keyblade. Also Sora Roxas (nobody) Ven (probably the unbirth) keyblade. Kairi Namine Xion (unbirth thingy)
     
  16. The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    I like your theory, its very intresting. But I beleive for something to be an unbirth it would have had to have been born in the first place so it could be unborn. Your theory of and unbirth is more like a nonbirth. I beleive unbirths are caused from a natural death, not one focred on a person. But good thinking. =)
     
  17. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    Sora's parents might not have told him about Ven.

    your right, the main problem here is the past. But we'll soon learn about it in BBS, which is coming out soon!!!
    But let me bring something up. Two things actually. One, Ven might not be the twin brother of Sora, Ven could possibly have been an older brother that died at birth or before birth 11 years before Sora was born. I really only added the twin brother thing as a more indepth connection between the two characters.

    Also, the keyblades Ven Terra and Aqua use dont hav key chains. Key chains represent a memory, or connection to something. A link. A chain of memory. But since unbirths were never born, they do not have a memory of anything. Simliar to Nobodies sorta. And so, if Ven is an Unbirth, then he could technically weild a keyblade, without a keychain.
     
  18. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    I like how you bring up "Chasers"
    It can be interpreted to 2 things (that I know of).
    First, Chasers as in those who chase. As in BBS, Aqua, Terra, Ven chasing MX.
    Second, Those who make things out of metal ie. Key Makers, the origin of the Keyblades.
    But that's getting off topic so I'm going back to the Ven.
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    I keep jumping from theory to theory now. I like the sound of this one in a way, it's backed up with other theories and stuff but I also like the one that says Ven is BECOMING an Unbirth.
    Also, I would like to know if Ven's age is actually confirmed yet? I mean if it's not, he could be a child looking thirty year old, father of Sora or something (kind of odd, yes).
     
  19. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Um.... .... Does Ven being erased has something to do with him becoming Sora's nobody or something? I still have a strong doubt of him being an unbirth.
     
  20. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    I think him being erased has to do with him not wanting to be an Unbirth anymore. He doesnt like the way he's living, maybe he wants a second chance at life? In the scene his facial expression is very depressing, so I see it as he is fed up with all the fighting, and he just wants to escape from his twisted reality.
     
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