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drug addiction

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Answer Man, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    ok, I'm new at this but I think this is a good topic, now drug addiction is most of the time bad and get's you killed but what do yall think can it be good or bad or why do people get hooked anyways?
     
  2. kirairiato

    kirairiato New Member

    its manly bad in my opinion.
    since it can caused you body more and more harm in the intake of drugs.
    and why do people get hooked mh...., it because people are just idiots,gayass, who like doing those stuff
    sorry for me language.
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Member

    I don't think a dependence on anything is ever a good thing. That's what drug addiction is...our body develops a dependence on some external substance. (Note: We're all addicted to food).

    What makes food ok to be addicted to, but narcotics not? Some may argue it's the harmful effects on our bodies, but people do worse things than smoke narcotics. With this hypothesis, one can argue that casual sex is a drug addiction since it is a 'necessity' (which isn't really the case, but people act as though it's true) and the risk of STDs is harmful to the body...yet casual sex is not illegal, while say, marijuana is.

    It's almost poetic.



    @kiririato: There are many ways to 'accidentally' get addicted to something, and it's not always the person's fault. Many people are foolish and don't take the proper precautions (and do drugs), but you can't really lump everyone under the same category.

    Some people for instance, get hooked on sleeping medication....or Tylenol.
     
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  4. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    that's a good argument, but what of people that get hooked on drugs and nothing bad happens to them but if they get of of it they get sick, is it good to take the drug then or not?
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Member

    That's not an addiction, that's a treatment.
     
  6. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    First of all, I would like to point out what an addiction is.
    Well I googled it and it comes up with;
    In my opinion, any sort of addiction is bad. What Mike has said about "We're all addicted to food" I would have to disagree stating that not everyone is abnormally tolerant and dependent on food.

    Now to the topic, "Is drug addiction good or bad?" Well it's bad, all the time (unless as stated above; a treatment, but it still is bad if you are addicted) because you are addicted. As I have stated, any sort of Addiction is bad. It's bad because you have now become dependent on something in order to almost stay sane. Negative effects outside of you as well as inside with yourself somehow needing to find a source for what you are addicted to and finding a way how to get to that source.
    Why are they hooked on it? It's like smoking and nicotine. Something foreign is introduced to the body, now your body somewhat "needs" it in order to stay sane. I myself have not done drugs so I don't know how much needs to be taken before this effect takes place (I know some casual users, but they aren't addicted)

    But is casual usage of a drug okay? Night clubs for example, a lot of people will take an ecstasy pill but they aren't addicted to it, they use it to enhance something. Sometimes things do go out of hand but all they want is to have a good time and make the most of their night.
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Member

    Unless you're throwing a certain specific curveball (which I hope you are), then I'm inclined to disagree, and that people do indeed need food to live.

    If it is that certain curveball, then it merits an explanation. (; No hand-waving arguments, it's a good counter-example.


    However I've made my point nonetheless. If it benefits you, substitute food for oxygen.
     
  8. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    *Needs to catch up with lingo*
    Not your fault, mainly mine for not knowing a few terms like curveball mate ;D

    With the oxygen, it's more of a necessity than an addiction.
    We do need Oxygen everyday to live but I don't think I would call it an addiction since it is something we must have. With Drugs, I'd say yes, an addiction there because you don't need it to live.
    And then again, these things CAN become an addiction. Food=Over eating, Oxygen=I'm not sure if there's a term but some people like to breathe in pure oxygen to get their "kicks" (which does ironically kill them if they breathe in too much pure oxygen)
     
  9. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    well with the air thing, it's kinda an addiction cause if we don't use it, we go crazy and die. some people do die if they don't get there drug.
     
  10. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    Again with the air thing, I think of it as a necessity. Unless you see someone breathing real heavily as a sign of taking as much as they can, then that's addiction due to some psychological problem. Why are they doing it? maybe they think that air is limited and they want it all before everyone else? Something happened to them when they were younger? There are many reasons for that to happen. But taking in air is normal and it's not abnormal to just casually breathe.
    Though there still are factors where someone will breathe heavily for air, not an addiction but more of a desperation.
    Example; Someone who goes swimming dives under, a minute later they will surface gasping heavily for air, I don't think that's addiction because they are doing it temporary.

    And with the no drugs=death,
    Are they dying because they aren't getting their fix or are they dying because of what they do to them selves because they don't have their fix?
    Apart from Medicinal use, I don't think not having the drug kills the person.
    Some People on the drug who don't get their fix sometimes don't sleep for days at a time, start picking at their arms creating little scabs everywhere, introduce violence somewhere, lose appetite and don't eat and many other negative side effects.
    But of course, this could be resolved with rehabilitation if they want it to be.
     
  11. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    right, but they could kill themselves.
     
  12. Mike

    Mike Member

    Think you're caught up in the semantics and not the big picture. The definition you posted of addiction is an arbitrary parameter. Who decided on said definition? Did you? Did I?

    Changing the words helps avoid us crawling to dictionary.com to see how someone we don't even know has defined the word. For the purposes of this discussion, I've made an analogy, or comparison, between a "substance of utmost importance" (oxygen) and a "substance of utmost importance" (narcotics, to an addict).

    Heroin addiction is so severe that if you lock the person in a vault with enough food, air, water, etc. (basic necessities) and ensured they did not self-inflict injuries by constantly monitoring them, their heart risks spontaneously shutting down because of a decrease in thyroid hormone production (I think? Been a while since I boned up on my medicine).

    This (or a similar reason, should my facts be slightly off) is why in cases of heroin rehabilitation, the patient is offsetted onto 'sister drugs' which are less addictive. There is no such thing as quitting heroin cold turkey: you'll die.
     
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  13. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    told you, what! that's why my name has Answer in it! and thanks for clearing that up mike. never saw you before.
     
  14. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    I guess I was caught with the semantic and not looking at bigger picture here.

    I've learnt something new about the heroin (all the more to stay away). I'm assuming there are also a few other illicit substances that has the similar effect/s of heroin (many governmental health and safety ads here).
    In a way, if you do become an addict to a narcotic, you're pretty much screwed? Like you said, you cannot go Cold Turkey and now you're on some Sister Drugs for satisfaction. Assuming that, now the patient is dependent on the Sister Drugs, is that all they need? or do they still need the original narcotic they were on?
     
  15. Mike

    Mike Member

    Drug rehab is about returning the body's hormone/protein/etc. levels to normal. The idea is, the drug prompts an increased production in some bodily substance, so the body stops making it (at least, it stops making the appropriate amount) and that's how dependence on the drug occurs.

    When you ease someone onto a sister drug, it's a 'less severe' drug, which doesn't prompt the body to produce quite as much of that hormone, and the body can 'pick up the slack' and learns to produce a little more (it's like working out your endocrine(hormone) system). Then you become dependent on this new drug, and stop taking heroin.

    Once you have tossed aside heroin and are now dependent on this other drug, they can do it again...substitute another drug in. Then your body makes more of this hormone by itself. And this continues, I'm not sure how many times (it depends on the severity of the addiction) until you make 'almost as much as normal.' Then it's safe to quit cold turkey.


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    Factoid of the day: Did you know something like 35% of heroin addicts relapse? (Fail to quit) ... and then think about it. 60-70% of cigarette smokers relapse.

    Why do you think this is?
     
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  16. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    that's some cool info, and to your question, i think it's cause smoking is easier to quit then heroin.
     
  17. Mike

    Mike Member

    If smoking is easier to quit, then more people should do so successfully right?

    So the question is...why do more people relapse on cigarettes? I mean, everyone agrees nicotine addiction is worse than cigarettes...so what gives?
     
  18. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    maybe once you become depended on that drug i's hard to get off no matter what it is. it's just mind over matter, just the people that do drugs have small mind(or just didn't care.)
     
  19. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    So would somebody be able to do this after using steriods for a long time and have their body be able to make as much testosterone as they did before taking steriods?

    If I had to take a stab in the dark, I'd say it is because smokers may smoke for no reason, or to calm themselves if they are angry or something. And because supposedly, having a 'last cigarette' is supposed to be better than sex. Of course, I heard that on one of my favorite TV shows, Scrubs.
     
  20. Goldfish

    Goldfish Cats in the Cradle

    Why do smokers relapse?
    Perhaps because cigarettes are always readily available? It's legal and no one can really stop you from buying (unless you're under age). But that's the same with all drugs, no one is really there to stop you.
     

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