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Mithras, the true god?

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Mythril Roxas, Jan 7, 2009.

  1. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    No, Abel's sacrifice was acceptable to God because he obeyed Him and humbled himself before Him, realizing that he could not cover his own sins. Cain's sacrifice was not acceptable to God because he disobeyed Him and puffed himself up against Him (even if unknowingly), assuming that whatever he brought before God from his effort alone would be enough to cover his own sins. But he was wrong, as I expressed.

    Both of them gave from their heart and soul. Cain gave the very best that he had, and so did Abel. But Abel obeyed God and followed Him. Cain disobeyed God and tried to make his own path to God.

    I was attempting to illustrate that karma is doctrinally unsound....you see, I was setting up an analogy.

    Christianity is to Abel

    as

    Hinduism/Karma system (whatever you prefer to call it; could be anything; it's man's approach to getting to God of himself) is to Cain.

    Cain's sacrifice didn't satisfy God's standard: absolute perfection. Following Dharma will likewise not satisfy God's standard. Perfection means without blemish. You would have had to never sin--ever--in order to be considered without blemish. But this is impossible, for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God. It's God's standard. Even thoughts can be sinful...and performing a bunch of good deeds, more in quantity than bad ones (so the net is positive), is simply not enough. It is not perfection. Therefore it is not enough.

    You cannot save yourself, no matter how hard you try.
     
  2. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    I take that very offensively, tha tlie up there. Cain donesnt = karma, Cain isnt a religion fool? Nor does it say anywhere in the Bible that he has one. If Abel HAD a religion, it would be the same as Cain's.

    Now look at what I bolded. That right there goes AGAINST CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS!!
    Christianity teaches that Cain didn't give his first fruits to god, and Abel did. Cain didnt try, and Abel did. Thats why Cain's offering was unacceptable.
     
  3. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member


    I apologize that I have offended you. But if I have offended you it is because I love you, not because I delight in offending you. So in this I am not dissatisfied, that you know (at least partially) of the love God has for you, which is great.

    I never stated that Cain literally equals karma. An analogy is a comparison. I was illustrating the similar features between Cain and his approach to following God and the Cosmic System’s (Karma) approach to following God.

    “Both of them gave their heart and soul. Cain gave the very best that he had”

    Please allow me to clarify. Beloved, the point is that you cannot forge your own path to God. You can not save yourself. I was merely attempting to illustrate this in a way you could understand, because you believe that following dharma will save you, or provide a way for you to enter Paradise. I tried to provide a biblical example of how your works are not enough to save you, even if they are everything that you have. Trying is not enough.
    I stated above that you must be perfect. If you are not perfect, you have sinned, and the wages of sin is death.

    If this still isn’t making sense to you, please keep asking questions.
     
  4. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    I know what your saying, but I think theres some confusion here. In my belief of karma, your works and your net charge of your soul only go so far. In the end, God is the ultimant judge of you and your acts, what you've learned, and how you've come to repent. When I said that you save yourself, I only mean it in the way that Jesus is not God, and he does not save you through hs blood. Thats a bunch of crap. We get ourselves half way, then its up to God. Jesus does not get us to the halfway mark. Life is like chess, our experiences get us past the opponents piece by piece. But when we make a mistake, we must back peddle. The ultimate goal is to get the King, and in our case that would be Paradise. To be righteous in God's eyes. all the other pieces are just obtascles we must face. But to many times we fall, we are captured, and we fail God. So, like the loving God he is, he doesn't throw us into the Abyss, but rather he puts our piece back on square one. Also, sometimes your piece will change when you get put back. Do you understand?
     
  5. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    Alright. I understand what you are saying, also. I agree with you on the point about God being the ultimate Judge. I obviously disagree with you on the point where you have expressed that you do not believe that Jesus is God….

    Ok. I know I’m asking a lot of you here, but I’m going to ask anyway…Can you present to me Scriptural evidence that denies Him (meaning Jesus) as God? Particularly in looking at Genesis, and in Revelation, and Isaiah, and Psalm 22?

    I am seeking to understand why you are so adamant against accepting Him.

    What do you think it takes to be righteous before the true God, who is holy?
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2009
  6. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    Scripture points out that there seems to be only one relevant son of god. The first born angel, Lucifer. After Lucifer's fall, it seems two entities are born. a son of light, and a son of darkness. You see Jesus as the son of light and Satan as the son of darkness. Egyptians see Horus and Seth, Zoroastrians see Ahura-Mazda and Ahrimen, Greeks see Hercules and Hades, Hindus see Vishnu and Shiva. These are two entities sprouted from one entity. Over years there has been confusion over the true identity of this figure. In my belief, they are one. They are evil, the god of the material realm. There is truly only one. Its like a double-faced character in a play, like a Dr.Jackal and Mr. Hide. In day light he is nice to the people, at night he is a murderer (not literally, just an analogy.).

    Why do I believe this?
    because there is no where in the Bible that says Jesus was born as a god in Genesis, no where were the Bible says there are 3 gods and that there is a trinity, nowhere. Your beliefs are based on interpretation. Mere opinion.
     
  7. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member

    ...Interesting. I see your points, again...and understand them completely.

    I was referring specifically to Genesis 1/2 and John 1:1-18...and John 17, and Psalm 22...and the others I said. There's a reason for this...such passages illustrate who God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is.

    “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness’…” (Gen 1:26). “So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them” (Gen. 1:27).

    “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters” (Gen 1:1).

    God is One. Not three gods, but One God, in three Persons. You should consider reading the apostles’ letters again…because they speak about this mystery frequently. This is why I have asked that you present the evidence to me.

    I am open-minded to your efforts. If you can present evidence that is logical and true to verify your stance, I will indeed need to readjust my views. But if you cannot…nothing on my part will be readjusted.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2009
  8. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    Again, all of those passages are based on christian opinion/interpretation. In my belief, when god said :" Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness", that ment one of two things.


    Either :
    A. It wasn't god but aliens that made us merely look like them when they created this world.
    OR
    B. God was talking to the angels and "in his likeness and image" ment giving us a soul, not our actual looks.

    But thas my opinion.
    As for evidence, I really dont have the time and I hope you respect my prvacy in this, but I dont want "the world" to know my beliefs, so I would never fully expose them on the internet.
    All the evidence you need is in other religions. Go to your public library and look at other cultures mythologies for a while. You'll find some interesting, yet familiar, things.
     
  9. Waterfall17

    Waterfall17 New Member


    You are correct in saying that my interpretation is a Christian one. I am a Christian, so that does make sense. However, that doesn’t support your point. You stated above, “your beliefs are based on interpretation. Mere opinion.” What are your beliefs based off of? Are they not based off of interpretation?







    Part A…could you explain why you think that aliens have any place in the making of the universe?

    Hrm. Part B: could you also explain to me why you would think that God was speaking to angels rather than Himself? Especially in looking at John 17?


    I respect that you don’t want to present evidence to support your point, mainly because I understand the concept of not having enough time. I will note, however, that the point of asking this was not for myself. It was for you. I have studied these things (and yes, admittedly more study is needed, even if only to be able to properly refute them) enough to understand that Christ is the only Way. If He was not the only Way, I would have no point in addressing you at all as I have (encouraging you to research).

    This is something that I also do not understand: why do you look so fully into other religions, yet not Christianity (that is, outside the Lutheran branch. As you probably already know, I have brought up points in doctrine against Kairi Star, who claims to be Lutheran…)?
     
  10. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    A. I cannot express these views openly on the internet. I am sorry.
    B. He said "our", that means he was talking about more than 2 separate entities. Angels.

    I am sorry I can not express my full views. I wish I could, but the internet is no longer safe, nor was it ever safe. I have come to truely realize this.

    But when it comes to religion, interpretation is everything. Thats why having an open mind is important. That way you can see multiple interpretations and outcomes.
     

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