Abortion

maybe her body wasn't made to have a baby and thus she had no choice if she was going to die because of it

 

O'k let' say it was me in that scenario.

If the doctor told me that I could have the baby but I would die, and the baby would live then I would still have the baby. As long as that baby lives that's all that matters to me. I would die, before I kill my baby. All I would want is for my baby to live.

 

Good heart, but some women aren't like that. They care more for themselves then their babies

 

But that's you. What if the women in question wanted to live? Is it not selfish to tell her she HAS to die for that baby?

 

That's what makes me mad, how can someone be like that?

But parents should always value their child before themselves. I know it may be scary, the thought of dying but you must think about your child. Sure you want to live, but can you live with yourself, knowing you killed an innocent baby?

Life is'nt just about survivng, it's about living with yourself. I know that if I put my life before my baby's life, I could'nt live with myself. I would have a miserable life full of guilt.

 

What peeves me about arguements such as this which are so set in stone, is that neither side refuses to accept that their opinion on life, religion etc is just that. Their opinion, and they shouldn't be forcing it upon anyone. Calling somebody a bad parent because they chose to have an abortion is often short sighted and viewed from a certain perspective, hypocritical.

People don't have sex because they're immoral. I personally would often prefer an underage or young parent to have an abortion if they wished, rather than realize they do not have the responsibility required to care for a child, and in turn ruining their life, the life of their child and in many circumstances the lives of those around them. It is not the factor of choice that needs to be eilminated, rather the stupidity and conflicting campaigns of misinformation that lead to the wrong decision in the eyes of the pregnant woman. But then again thats straying too far into idealist territory.

 

Finally, someone who agrees with me. We should talk some time.

I somewhat agree with all of this.

 

I meant that pro choice people who keep on pressing for abortion to stay legal is being selfish. They want it to be legal, and so they are being selfish with wanting their way to be the one that works. I didn't mean pro choice itself being selfish, just the people who push for it.

 

They aren't being selfish, they aren't preaching the virtues of abortion - They are simply preventing anti abortion lobbiests from making it illegal. Aren't those who campaign for the withdrawal of a right to choose more selfish than those who campaign for the reverse? (Yes I realize this could be applied to any number of situations, but certainly what i'm trying to convey stands in these circumstances)

 

But there's more to it than just having abortion be legal. Here's a scenario:

Let's say there is a doctor. He doesn't believe in abortion. But somebody wants an abortion, and the place he works at has him do it. Now, he doesn't want to take part in an abortion, so he refuses.

Isn't it being selfish that they are making him do something he's against?

 

In that scenario a doctor who will perform the abortion will...

anyway, what type of anti-abortion doctor would work at an abortion clinic...

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't regular hospitals preform abortions too?

 

I'm unsure, I assume some do if not all, but if a doctor was unhappy with an abortion then another doctor or an abortion clinic can be used instead.

 

Okay. But if there is a hospital that does preform abortions. And a doctor refuses to do it and the hospital fires him. Is that right?

 

No, and the doctor will sue the hospital and thus will be settle to an extent, the chances of a doctor getting fired for refusing to perform an abortion is slim to none anyway.

 

Although I do know a nurse who got fired for refusing to help an abortion. So maybe the chances aren't as slim as you think.

 

There are always isolated examples one can use to prove any point. After a quick googling I came up with some wholly rational reasons for firing hospital staff. For example "Nurse fired for refusing to administer the morning after pill". In this case the nurse is forcing her religious beleifs upon someone else who is seeking her assistance. Aside from somewhat going against medical pledges and the ethos of working in the medical system - refusing somebody help because of your own beleifs and prejudices I feel is the greater of the two "evils".

 

But what if it's not help their looking for?

As an example, about two months ago, the Bush administration set this rule, that medical providers can refuse to serve people seeking something concerning abortion.

Now, these people can refuse the help because of their beliefs or religion.

But is that really evil? Since the person seeking the abortion related thing isn't seeking help like healing, but for their own wants.

 

Yeah, the nurse was my cousin. He got fired because he refused to give an abortion.

If a christian doctor gives an abortion then he is betraying God and that is truly evil. If he refuses to give the abortion then the baby's blood is not on his hand and God will reward him for his righteousness.

 

Yes, yes it is. When you become a doctor your pledging your life to help others medically in any way you can, you can't simply refuse people help because you feel a mainstream medical procedure that could save somebodies life (metaphorically speaking of course) because it conflicts with your personal beleifs.

If everybody operated with that mindset then society wouldn't evolve. What about the person who is requesting the abortions beleifs? They could realize they are not responsible enough to care for a baby, they could have been raped, or any number of situations which would totally warrant an abortion. Ideals are all well and good, but they seldom work out as planned in practice. For instance the christian church is against contraception, they then took their ideals and preached to the people of africa all kinds of nonsense about the use of condoms. As a direct result the infection rate of AIDS and other horrific sexually transmitted diseases has skyrocketed.