Religion

I think thats something all parents should do. My Father did that with me. It was something that always fascinated me, I always wanted to know everything since I was little, and still pursue yah know. But without my dad, I dont know were I'd be (probably a brainwashed gung-ho Christian). You see people need guidance, and I think it is our parents job especially to do this.

 

Yes it is. Its our parents and church officials job to teach us this for we are bounded by religion. We have the thirst for knowledge.

 

Ah. I've already told you that Satan tried to rebel God 5 times & he did. Not only that, the Holy Bible was written by man, but it was written through God. God gave the apostles visions & prophets visions of what will happen. He even gave one apostle(I think it was John. I'm not sure because all of these words that really wants me to tell you is flowing in me.) about what will happen in revelations. Also, those verses I can explain to them real clear, but you must have the heart & desire to know what I'm talking about. The Holy Bible never did contradict itself & I know for a fact that it never did contradict itself. Satan tried to rebel God five times & when he rosed against God & since God saw that Satan is a threat & is not in his respectful decision, he decided to throw Satan out of the heavens. That made Satan the first fallen angel along with the other angels who Satan was able to persuade. Satan is a devil & the King of Hells, but he was an angel first. That's why Satan is able to disguise himself as an angel of light. Still, what did God says? He said that we shall test the spirits to see if they are God. God wants us to see by faith instead by our eyes. A lot of people wants to see things with their eyes & that be their downfall & that means a lot!

Now, the next question that you said should be the "Ultimate" but actually is not the ultimate question for me, because I've already gotten the answer. No, I will not have the power to stand up to Satan. I'm not stronger than him. Why? Because without God's power & through Jesus Christ, I do not have authority & power over him. In the bible, it tells about these men who heard about Paul chasing devils out of people's home in the name of Jesus, but when the men tried to do it by saying in the name of Paul, the demons went & beat them up. Human power do not work against Satan because we are weak & helpless without our holy father. Satan is not stronger than God or equal to him. Why? Satan tried to get through to Job, but he wasn't because God's protection is around Job. Satan can't even touch Job. Satan believes & told God that by having Job losing everything, that Job will curse out God. Satan can't even touch him! Still, as we all know at the end, even though Job lost everything, Job decided that no matter what happens, he will still have his faith in God & God tripled his blessings. Satan will never be able to be my hero, nor light. Jesus is the pure of light. Jesus is love & Jesus brings us out of darkness. Satan won't be able to beat me. Definitely not me. I've been counting on God for things that I can't even to do anyways (I'm not even strong physically too.) & the God that I know who have kept me in perfect peace is real.

Don't say that christians thinks that Satan is our best friend. Now that htere is nothing but a big lie to me. If that's not what you is trying to say, please make it clearer. Tell me this. If Satan made the bible a lie, does that means that he can give us the holy spirit? Wrong. John the Baptist states that there will be one who will give people the power of the Holy Spirit. Satan do not have that power. Even in the Old Testament, God states that there will be someone who will save all of us. Mary was pregnant & gave birth to Jesus Christ, an Angel came from the heaven & told John many things about Jesus, Jesus went out to the people & gave them the gospel, he even saved a woman from being stoned, he even kept his peace & didn't curse no one while they was beating him up & abusing him. Don't you think that Satan wants to save a woman from being stoned? No he won't. The bible said that he was bound for 1,000 years & was released to rampage on the earth to try & steal souls, but even if Satan is the ruler of darkness, he still don't have no power over God almighty whatsoever.

I hope I've told you everything that I know that's true in my heart. Not only that, God told us that we shall hold our peace & let him fight our battles. There are a battles that we won't be able to fight against Satan & that's the truth. That's one thing that can prove that humans are not stronger than Satan if they don't have the Holy Spirit & God helping them. Anyways Answer Man, Jesus was not the first angel ever made. Jesus was man born into a sinning world who was without sin. A perfect man who is the son of God.

 

This is what I was talking about......you really are sucumbed to Satan's confusion, and he has total control over you B. Jesus is Satan, he has created the biggest game of all time through religion and faith, to confuse, mislead, and overall control the hearts and minds of man. Everything you just told me I already knew. I grew up with this stuff, once upon a time I used to be just like you. But I woke up. Its hard to say how, it just happened. I knew there was something outside of the church, after I read the Bible cover to cover the first time, I felt like there was something more out ther. And there was. And after years of studying and research on all religions, I still dont know it all, because there is so much to learn. But I've broken the bearier that your still in. I know now the playing field, I know were the pieces are stationed, and now I'm in a mental chess game with my own Satan, my ego.
That is the reason we live and die, we fell with Satan to this realm of matter, this realm of punishment.We have to defeat ourselves, our mental devil, or ego's. We are fragile things, and yet our every action every second changes the universe. The ultimant goal is to live and learn, and to get back to the realm of spirit with God. Jesus did not die to save us. He died to confuse us. For if Jesus died to save us from Hell, then what did Horus die for? What did Krishna die for? What did Ahura-Mazda die for? All were crucified before Jesus time, and all died to save mankind. So, what was their sacrifice for? What about William Wallace? A more recent martyr that did much more than Jesus ever did. Hm? Answer that Summonerbrandon. WHAT DID THEY DIE FOR???

 

*Sigh* Sadly, you are false. I was never was confused & is controlled by Satan. If I was, I wouldn't even be here or I would've been dead or something else that would've happened bad to me. I never was in a barrier that you said that I'm in & not only that, I've told you & even proved to you that Jesus & Satan are two different beings. How in the world that you want to say that Jesus died just to confuse us? If you know everything about the bible, then how come you asked me why Jesus & Satan are called the morning star? Actually, let me tell you about William Wallace.

William Wallace is from Scotland am I'm correct? If not, please stop me, but from what I've read, it's about him freeing the Scottish from the English rule in the 13th century. Yes, he was executed, & yes, he was evading capture from the English, & yes, he was an outlaw, but at first, he really wanted to live a life in the church, but actually ended up living a life of an outlaw. Even though he was executed at the end, a man named Edward was able to help free Scotland from the English rule. A great feat, but not more than what Jesus ever did Mythril. Jesus did something out of love for the whole world while William did something for his country. They did something out of love, but William didn't do much than Jesus.

Now about the others. Krishna is supposed to be a deity worshipped in Hinduism correct? Krishna is a whole different thing. From what I'm reading, someone at the end of his life tried to arrest him & he went & burst into flame to show creation in him. There's nothing about anything of Krishna dying for the sake of something. Krishna went, overthrew his own uncle & killed him, then went & abducted a woman who he married to be his wife. He even defeated a demon & married over 16,000 wife (I'm not even going to bring up one of the sins because then you would be offended) just so they can reclaim their status in society. To tell you the truth, Krishna really didn't do anything much. As for this Ahura-Mazda, he is, in Persian beliefs, to be a supreme god who made the heavens & created Zurvan & Atar. Atar fought a dragon of the sky & bound it, but the dragon was destined to escape & to destroy a third of mankind before it was slain. Ahura-Mazda was to battle Ahriman & to rid darkness, evil & deceit. Ahura-Mazda didn't die for anything. Didn't even die for our sins or the likes. As for Horus, which really gotten interesting to me, yet I still have a lot of doubts for him. Horus is from the Egyptians. Horus was to be born form his virgin mother goddess, Isis, but it says that Isis is married to Osiris. As for where Horus was born, one says that he was born in a swamp (XD This part made me start to laugh a little bit) while another says that he was born in a cave, but the majority says that he was born in a swamp. Horus is of a royal descendent, but they use royal descendent for Horus & Jesus differently. Horus never did get cruxified or even died for something. Horus was cut into pieces & thrown into the river to die, where a crocodile god went& fished him out.

I'm glad that something told me to do research on these people. Why? Because the information on these people (except the part about William Wallace I think) was either misinterpretated or was changed around just to make it look like it came way before Jesus & that Jesus is a lie. I've answered your question Mythril. None of them ever was cruxified Mythril. If you don't believe me, then I can give you all the links that I've found that backs up my answers & show everyone on here what I'm talking about. Jesus is real & Jesus is not Satan. Jesus did die for our sins. If you have proof where it says that Jesus came to confuse the people that God created & love, please show that to me. I will gladly search that up.

 

I'm going to have fun ripping this to shreds. You are one of them B, you are brainwashed, you are lost, and you'll never get out of that tunnel. Others might get as far as question, but you...you will probably never even get there.

why would you have died? Why would've anything bad to you happen? There are plenty of people who get hurt in the world already. So your saying nothing bad has ever happened to you? Well that says something in and of itself.

you have not proved it to me and never gave a knowledgable rebutle as to my question to your whole answer that Jesus and Satan are two seperate beings because someone claiming to be Satan took Jesus up in the air and asked him to perform some miracles. I already adressed that, and you didnt say anything back bringing up my answer, so please, give me a rebutle to my previous post on how its all a trick and that the Bible has been manipulated through out time and that it is VERY POSSIBLE that story was randomly thrown in there with the purpose of confusing people like me, the questioners, all the more.

I already gave you my answer on that, so why r u asking questions to things I've already given an answer too?

u dont have too, i know enough about him.
Now, WARNING. EVERYTHING YOUR ABOUT TO TELL ME IS FROM WERE?? THE INTERNET. You didn't take time to go pick up a few books at the library and look and research this stuff, did you? No...you didnt.
Now, summonerbrandon, IS THE INTERNET CREDIBLE?!?!?!?!
NO.

A. He never wanted to be a man of any church. He wanted to be a farmer and live in peace, but the English had a law that before anyone from the country was to get married, the English lord of that county would have to have sex with the bride before the husband would. When William Wallace returned home to wed the girl from his childhood, he found out about the law and then he wed her in secret, a Romeo/Juliet type of story, right? The English then found out, and killed his wife. He, in rage, killed every English man in his village that had come to kill him and his wife. All by himself. Talk about miracles. Then he went on to fight the English with his hatred, and became a martyr. He won impossible battles, and used unseen (for his time) tactics of war. He was an enraged war genius. His men said his eyes were burning with fire, and his hair shone ike the sun. They say he caught the fire of God and could cast lightning. Now he obviously couldn't do any of that, but he was that great that people praised him like a god. He, unlike most, didn't want people to say such things, for he prayed to god before and after every battle for the will, drive, and power to continue on and defeat the British. But some of the Scotland lords turned on Will, and he was excecuted, shouting "Freedom!"
He was a real life hero, not a warrior from legend.

debatable, especially on what is fact and what is fiction.

Will did what he did for his wife, his country, and to see an evil man put down in his place. He did it for love and peace, he fought for that, him and his men. Jesus grew up knowing he was going to be a martyr. Will became a martyr the hard way, he didn't want to be a martyr, but he saw the world around him and despised it. Is that not honorable?

yep, he was the 8th incarnation of Vishnu the Preserver.

no, not really.

again, Internet

Talk about miracles. He was actually crucified by the Romans and rose after 3 days of being in the pit, then afterwards hid among the people until he was found and as he was arrested he burst into flame. You missed the key part.

Well at least it feels more real than honkey dorey Jesus. I'm not a Hindu so I'm not offended, but it bothers me that there are many other Gods/Heroes in history that died for us all, but Jesus, the one who did the least is suppose to be the savior of the world while the others do not share in that credit. Krishna's stories often seem like he was more man than God in his sinfulness, yes, i agree with you there. But many of that could've been added on through time, twisted and manipulated because the government changed, and as the lords who had many wives saw that a god did not, they simply had scribes write it into the books that the gods had many wives to make the lords feel more like they were gods, but as i am trying to explain, the gods never did any such thing. Again, seeing truth, using logic, thinking outside the box. I'm not saying thats all 100% true, but it sure is possible.

Zurvan = Time, Atar = Fire

sound familiar B? This was all written almost 2,000 years before Jesus' time ,and John writing Revelations.

The second reincarnation of Ahura-Mazda (forget his name) was captured by the Romans for using witchcraft to heal the sick and the blind. He was put on a cross as a sign to others that no man can claim to be the son of god.

Yes, Budha, Horus, Zoroaster, and Saoshyant (one to come) were all born into a lake.

Osirus was the one who was cut into pieces by his evil brother Seth, not Horus. Horus was crucified by Seth's son for killing Seth. Horus had 12 disciples like Jesus, and was born of a virgin mother, Isis. Horus then was crucified, but rose after how many days? yes....3 days. Then he over powered Seth's son (forget Seth's son's name), and joined Ra at the top of the throne of the gods.

It was all before Jesus (except WIlliam Wallace), Horus was, at earliest, 400 years before Jesus, at the latest it was like almost 3,000 years. Buddha was about 450 years before Jesus. Krishna was about 800 years before Jesus. And Ahura-Mazda and Zoroaster were 1600 years before Jesus.

you read material over the internet....
THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you happen to pick up a book on this? Do you make a quick run to the library? No. And I'm not saying you'll find it in just any book at the library. I takes time, careful consideration, patience, and determination to find the knowledge. Because sometimes 2 bokks will countradict eachother, and then you have to research the author and check his background to see if they are credible......so, its takes a lot of work to get a straight answer B. Its not as easy as looking something up on wikipedia or a couple of blogs. Anyone can edit the internet. Mainstream doesn't want people knowing the truth.

do that. I want to see what you read so i can rip that apart 2.

Of course he never said it, thats the whole point, he's tricking you into thinking he's your best friend, your savior. He wouldn't just come out and say: "I'm confusing you all to take over the world and keep you all here with me on Hell, Mwuahahahahahaha".
Oh my god, why did I have to explain that? I thought I made it clear that he is here to confuse us. So why would he tell us that he is?!?! HE DOESNT WANT US TO FIGURE THAT OUT!!!!!

 

. . . Which makes Muslim Jesus all the more credible. He didn't die for our sins (According to the Qur'an), but after he was betrayed, God's angels help stage one of history's biggest cover-ups. They took Jesus when the (Roman? Jews? Jewish Romans? I honestly don't remember.) weren't looking and replaced him with a double and took him back to heaven. The double was crucified, and blah-de-blah. According to some people, God would not let Jesus die, so he masterminded the whole thing.**


*Mind you, I still don't believe.
**All from a documentary called the Muslim Jesus. Creative name, no?

EDIT: Forgive me if it sounds a little hazy. It's been a while since I saw it.

 

ok Mythril, i dont understand time, so please explain how does time make god and who'd made time then? and Jesus was officially created or else all those bible stories would have never been made about him. and if Lucifer was made first he would have been jealous of Jesus and god. why do you think he tricked eve and Adam? why do you think he rules this world now? because he hates god, and the first angel loves god and in the bible it has never said in the ten ones i have looked at(not read all of them from page one to last) it has always had three main people(except Islam or Muslim) and the have said the one sent from there god was the son and the bad one has never had the first angel in his part. but maybe god is just made through the consistences of man, maybe somehow are will to live made a god who could make us live and real, maybe that's who made god, the consistence of man and women.

 

Really Mythril? Then what if the books that you were reading were also was twisted & manipulated? You don't know that yourself? Not only that, what if the authors who wrote those books about those people that you brought up were nothing more than demons? Have you ever thought about that yourself? Also, when I say, "I would've died or something else that would've happened bad to me," I meant that I would really would've died or that I really would've suffer way worser than I can ever imagined.

You can say that I"m brainwashed & lost, but what about you? Are you brainwashed & lost yourself? None of us won't even know anything at all anyways because everything we say here are either facts or opinions. The real truth is after we die & that's that Mythril. I gave you the answers. You just didn't bother trying to understand it from what I'm seeing it. Not only that, you can't just go up & say that Jesus is Satan & that he came down here to confuse us. Not unless you have proof. Not only that, what about the other gods that you was talking about. Don't you think that Satan can become a form like them too & confuse you & the others? Everything always needs evidence & no matter what you say or what we say, teh two of us are far from the truth. You chose Christianity, don't understand about some things, left Christianity, & went into something else. My life is a whole different perspective which led me to the realization of Jesus, God's truths & words, & what is to come. It doesn't matter Mythril. From here on out, from what I've seen from you & my posts, I don't think that I'm lost or brainwashed. Don't even try to call me "one of them" because I'm not the one who, like what Moog & the other members says what the christians around them do, bash on them, forcing them & making them feel uncomfortable. Oh yea. Ask me this Mythril. If Jesus & Satan are the same, then does that mean that we cannot love one another then? We cannot love our own enemies then? We cannot gain our eternal life? Tell me that Mythril. Oh yea. I did my research on every link that's about those people & read them real carefully & the library in my town is not open on holidays.


Before I leave, I showed you enough evidence & everything. Do you really want to go & bash Jesus by saying that they are one & the same? I need some evidence as to how. Maybe more. I've proven to you about this time & again & I really don't want to bring up another verse. . The same way that you say that I'm lost, I think that you are lost too. Anyways, I'm glad that we have this talk. Still going to care for you though.

 

can i get a amen on that on. but yeah, ppl use religion for different things, some use it to get money, some for hope that there's a better life next, some because they have nothing to believe in. and then there's some that need some truth, and the atheist are just scared and dont know what to believe, that's all but Mythril, you need to not be super judgmental and stop acting like you know all about the wold and what's right or wrong or about religion or some ppl, cuz you dont have all the answer's nobody does, heck even i dont.

 

*Sigh* Even though I'm a christian & always wants to think positive things, there are times when I feel upset about some people & wonder. Mythril & Noz are one of them because the two of you always be coming & then bring up questions & answers from other religions, but then when I give you answers of what I've learned based on my own life & from me understanding thigns, doing God's work & wanting to live a good life, wanting to see people do great things for the better, you went & bash on me like I just went & wanted to do something very cruel to you & say that I'm lost, saying that the religion that I know is true is a fake. Even your religion gets bashed on & there be people saying that you are a fool. Being baptized, speaking in tongues, talking to God, everything. It all feels so real to me. I was able to go to a higher level. I was able to speak to God & gain wisdom. Still, I don't like bashing on other religions, even if I point out errors because then people want to try to make me the bad guy. Religion is nice & all, but all of us must be careful as to what we do. The rest, it's best for me to keep to myself.

 

Thats true Answer but when you say that atheist don't know what to believe, you're kinda wrong there. You see, this world is made of belief. Everybody has something to believe in. Atheist for example believe in their answer about religion. I know its false but thats their choice and their belief.

 

Knight, i meant like they dont understand what to relive, not they dont know what, some might do but that's how i see it and saw it before. i mean I'm still a little skeptical on god, bu i still have faith to my bones. I might be basing how some Atheist feel because i did but i think some do. and brandon, i respect how your going about not bashing Mythril and others that bash yours but forget about ppl have there opinions and always have something to say about you no matter where you are.

 

Hmm, I see. Then I'm sorry about my comment from earlier, my friend. I agree with you that they understand what to believe. They are like this because they think with too much logic. This logic corroded their mind into the belief that there is no god.

 

Hmm, you're right. I am being to judgemental. I didnt mean to be. i was just trying to a point. I just said it wrong.

 

no need to say sorry, wasn't offended, but really there is no why for anybody to have real proof, like Santa Claus, tell you the truth i still believe he is real, if god is some big being that made us, than somewhere santa had to be real right? but that's the thing, as a kid you think that, then you want real proof so you leave cookies and milk or somehting, there gone in the morning, or some wake up to see if they see him, so parents say you have to sleep or he wont come. well it's like that with god, you believe in him and then want proof, ppl give you a bible, that's just showing you miracles or stories and history of the bible times and what god could do, not really giving you proof. So like the you have to be asleep or Santa wont come with his gifts, ppl say you just have to have faith or you wont see god and his gifts. So really if you dont have a camera and tape santa you wont ever see him till you just believe he's not real, so like atheist, if they cant have some kid of proof other than just stoies and miricales, or ppl teeling them have faith, they just cant beivle after so long of never seeing anything. ya know?

(this is a weird analogue)

 

that sounds very interesting Moogle, I've never heard of that before, so thanks for teaching me something. I'll have to look into that, it sounds very very interesting.

Time is infinite, nothing created Time, the real gods that we can prove are gods are time and numbers, because they have existed Forever and they can not be changed, touched, or manipulated. Time is God. God is time. Therefore God created time, and time created god.
We, or anything that involves us, did not create god. well, i dont believe we did. Its an interesting theory. We really wont ever know who or what created god. But i believe it is time, it it the only thing that could have as far as explanation is conserned.

haha, you've grown a brain. Its very possible that they twisted and manipulated history and knowledge for their own means, yes. I will admit the possibility. But does that mean that they were by just saying that they were? No. You'd have to give me some proof, maybe not physical, but logical proof B.

Well my belief is that we're all demons according to the Fallen Angels belief, so yeah, they are, and so am i, and so are you. We're all the Fallen, we're all demons, so whats your point? That these authors are evil because they go against Christianity? Well, maybe they are, maybe they are wrong. But if they are, it still doesn't explain the hypocrosy in the Bible.

yep.

explain that a little more B, i'm still confused on how you would be killed or hurt more than you are now, it makes no sense.

maybe

logic > opinion.
logical opinion > faithful opinion

true, oh so very true.

No, i did, i understand your point of view because i used to have the point of view. So i know very well were your coming from, i'm trying to tell you that it doesn't make logical sense. YOU are not seeing THAT.

I gave biblical proof, so are you saying the Bible doesn't count as proof? I know you aren't saying that because you used Biblical verse to countradict my own Biblical verses, wich proves what B? Countradiction in the Bible. Hypocrosy. And thats my whole point.

Great question B, some people think so, and I'm not sure if Lucifer (meaning Jesus, Horus, Krishna, AHura-Mazda, the whole lot) are good or bad. Is it all confusing us to strengthen our faith? Are they all the evil son of god? Or are they all the good son of god? Its a messy question, and something I haven't solved yet. I want to believe they are good, or that Lucifer works for God. But the cold reality MIGHT be that Lucifer is bad.

truth is truth, dont get your opinion or my opinion confused with that.

I didn't choose Christianity, i was brought up in it. I learned everything I could from christianity, and still have it all up here in the good ol' Noggin. I left Christianity to search for the truth, I once considered myself a Zoroastrian, but I even questioned that and now I belong to no religion, but I have my own beliefs that have bits and pieces from various religions.

I know, I was once were you are at. I'm trying to tell you that its all wrong, you need to wake up, look at everything around you logically, and learn about the world. Knowledge is power. Dont make judgement calls till you know a subject forwards and backwards. Thats why I judge Christianity, I know it forwards and backwards. ANd yet you judge the world and other religions like you know the forwards and backwards. You dont. Go learn about them first, dont judge a book by its cover.

i think all of this matters B.

Maybe you are, maybe you arent, time will tell.

oh dont get babyish on me now. You bash me i bash you, its a debate B, we disagree and we try to learn from eachother.

No, that has nothing to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. I live my life like that, I'm all about that. We must all love others more than ourselves.

yes, we can, thats my whole point, we must overcome our inner ego's and love our enemies to defeat our ultimant enemy, ourselves.

Yes we can

thats my point, dont act like you know something when u dont B.

no, you havent.

mhm, sure.

like what, its in the Bible

well, you havent showed me so keep trying. I've shown you the hypocrosy, now try to tell me how its all "honkey dorey".

Thats my whole point, so dont act like you do and i dont because you disagree with me.

When you chose to follow a religion you have all the gifts of the religion and you also get all the korks. Being a Christian means having to take the criticism too B. You should now that by now. Some people dont like Christianity. Thats just how it is. So dont make it out to be that your the only one getting "hated" on. Because your not.

Toph that was smart. Thank you, i dont think they'd listen to me if i said that, so i apreciate your intervention here. I totally agree with you. With every belief there comes critism. If you really have faith in a religion, you will stand up for it, not cower and play the blame game on whose "bashing" who. Stand up for your religion and fight for it, otherwise your not a true believer at all, your just a follower.

 

Yeah, sorry about that comment about Atheist, Toph and Roxas. Its not my place to judge for I am human. We should never have the right to judge but we still do it even its wrong. Again, I'm sorry for my actions.