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Discussion in 'General Kingdom Hearts' started by Yacob, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    Attention: this is a thread of a bunch of clues I found in not just kingdomhearts but other TV shows and anime, manga etc this is my interpretation of those clues and it is my belief that this is the truth about kingdom hearts however I fully acknowledge that some of my deductions may not be entirely correct and I fully invite anyone to give their own opinions and theories in the comments. but this is an attempt to decipher the true meaning of Kingdom hearts so its a long thread and might not be everyones cup of tea.


    kingdom hearts is an anthropomorphic story of the sun as it travels through out the houses of the zodiac. it is in fact the same exact story as "fate stay night unlimited blade works" as well as "star wars" and many other movies and tv shows, comic books and mangas etc. even religion all religion is based on astrological movements of the sun and the stars in the heavens that's why it is called RE, like the sun God RE or Ra ligion like the legions of the son or the suns rays. so allow me to prove to you the Kingdom hearts is actually a symbolic story telling you the story of none other than the sun on its journey through the houses of the zodiac.


    the first clue

    raft Excalibur, (kingdom hearts is the holy grail) i think its safe to assume that the name Excalibur sora wanted to give to the raft is actually an allusion to the keyblade and not the raft at all. We can make this assumption because canonically sora losses that race and even if a more experienced player wins the race in the beginning in KH2 the gummi ship has the name that riku gave it, the “high wind” therefore riku really does win the race on the island.
    So we also have Merlin in the KH series and he appears pretty early, not long after sora acquires the keyblade. I think that this means we can safely assume that this implies sora is resonating young king Arthur of the Arthurian legends.



    Ansem, I believe is another clue. his name is an anagram for mensa and mensa's etymology breaks down to table... like the round table of the Arthurian legend or the round table of the zodiac which is sliced down the middle in tracking the suns movements through the zodiac.

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    the zodiac wheel charts the suns journey through each house and divides the wheel into its 4 seasons. the division and duality of the autumn harvest and the fertility of the spring lamb. so one complete cycle is actually the life of spring time AS WELL as the death of autumn. thus the division of ven in KHBBS the division of the zodiac annual year from summer and winter, light and darkness. And the division of sora and roxas is the division of the the new born spring lamb(sora) and the lucifer of lux of the sun (roxas) in the summer time.



    the etymology of the word "Excalibur" is from Old French, Escalibor a corruption of Caliburn probably a variant of the legendary Irish sword name Caladbolg which might mean literally "hard-belly,"

    so the word excalibur has two elements, the first is callus which is latin and means "hard" or "to be hard"
    and the 2nd element, the world belly, is Old English and means "Bulging" so the word Excalibur literally translates to the "hard bulge" which is a representation of the fertility of the spring lamb or Ram in Aries when things spring to life.


    the Ram, ARIES, the first or the father or patriarch is represented by a tree
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    this is why sora encounters Ansem at the base of the tree of the secret place, because he is the father or the door way of aries. the door way of the 2 pillers that that leads the way through the annuel year.

    this is probably why xehanorts keyblade has a space in the middle, because it represents the 2 pillars
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    aries is both the father, the old wise man and the son, the traveling fool who, "knows nothing and understands nothing" because aries is the separation of the old from the new. the new born spring lamb from the dead of winter.

    sora is dumb because he is the traveling fool or the joker or jester he is the jack, the trickster of the annuel year.

    the jack is the one who steals or takes. this is why when you get robbed, you say, "I got jacked" or when you get beat up, you say, "I got jacked up" because you have been beaten so the origin of the word jack is from the biblical patriarch Jacob. and the etymology of the word jack is as follows

    Jacob masc. proper name; Old Testament patriarch, from Hebrew Ya'aqobh, literally "one that takes by the heel; a supplanter
    supplant means/replace, supersede, displace, take over from, substitute for, override

    so if you ever heard the expression, are you pulling my leg you should grasp the meaning of the name jack or Jacob because when you pull some ones leg you trick them and make them the butt of a joke. and that's why the joker is the jack is the Jacob,

    watch this video until you leave pirate Caribbean
    its a clue and its short




    why is sora and jack alike? what was so funny? why did everyone laugh? did you get the JOKE? if you think about it its obvious, you just have to think, what did sora take? that's right, he took the keyblade, rikus keyblade. now think back on the video clip I just pasted, what was jack talking about and what made goofy say he may actually one day acquire the blade? its because he was willing to be the jack, the thief or pirate and take the blade.

    now here is where the clues get good but first i have to explain a few thing about Halloween


    " It is the custom of the celebration to use orange and black in decorations and costumes. Retailers embrace this holiday because it’s one of the most lucrative of all.

    As the Celtics are given the most credit for beginning the holiday as the festival of the harvest, a color of autumn is used. Orange, being the most prevalent autumn tone, is derived from the pumpkin and leaves.

    The color orange also signifies strength and endurance. We don’t know if that is for the holiday or strength and endurance at the harvest time

    Halloween was once (and still may be in some areas) a festival of the dead. Death is usually associated with darkness and absence of light signified by the color black."

    Orange is the color of the setting or dying sun just before the blackness or darkness of night time or winter.
    this is why orange is the new black because orange is the warning color of death

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    safety orange


    "Of course, Halloween colors are not just limited to orange and black, you will also see a lot of blood red, eerie green, ghostly white and deep purples"

    Craft Blog / Halloween Colors: Where Did They Come From? by COLOURlovers :: COLOURlovers


    Traditionally orange and black were the two colors associated with Halloween and together they have a yin/yang type of relationship.
    But there are also several other colors that have become an important part of All Hallow’s Eve including white, red, purple and green.
    The Meaning Behind the Halloween Colors

    Black – The Color of Darkness and Death
    [​IMG]Black is the color of death and Halloween is a time when the veil between the spirit world and the living is thin


    Read More http://isleofhalloween.com/halloween-colors-and-their-meaning/


    because it is the time of the harvest just before the death of the sun in the cold winter.
    so orange warns of death, the death of the sun.

    Orange – The Vibration of Life
    [​IMG]Orange is the polar opposite of black. It is a lively color that celebrates life and the bounty of the Autumn harvest.
    Orange is the color of fire cutting through the darkness of night. Orange is warm and positive.
    Many leaves turn orange during Fall and pumpkins and """"jack o’lanterns,"""" popular Halloween symbols, are also orange.


    Read More http://isleofhalloween.com/halloween-colors-and-their-meaning/


    Red – The Color of Blood
    Red is another color that is often associated with Halloween, especially now with the current popularity of vampires.
    Red blood is seen dripping from vampire lips and the victim’s throat. Or it could be a bottle of True Blood.


    Read More http://isleofhalloween.com/halloween-colors-and-their-meaning/

    the color of the red blood sacrifice of animals and sometimes even humans that the ancients use to preform to the sun for fertility purposes. the harvest of the crops etc. (watch movie apocalypto)



    Purple – A Witches Brew
    [​IMG]Purple has recently become a popular Halloween color representing the supernatural and all things mystical.


    Read More http://isleofhalloween.com/halloween-colors-and-their-meaning/


    purple is the time of the evening, the time of the setting sun, the time of twilight.



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    next, Disney channels original Halloween movie, "don't look under the bed" notice the colors of orange and purple, the time of the jack o lantern , jack skellington


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    sora is the jack o lantern

    Destiny Islands

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    the place where the sun set or descended into the darkness.
    rikus "changing" if you pay attention, was happening at twilight.

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    if you watch this scene closely, while riku is talking deep philosophical type stuff, you can see kairi shake her head. when I first saw it, I thought it was my game glitching but its not. its on all of the scenes uploaded online even the HD ones.

    the next time we get a destiny islands cut scene, its also at twilight and we here that "riku" is changing as the sun is setting.



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    "you know, rikus changed"


    the next cut scene we see is actually at the darkness of night time. the time of the death of the sun where the moon touches the light of the sun and becomes the ruler or master or the light of the world.

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    About Riku being the rightful owner of the Keyblade - why is it that Sora had the Keyblade first?
    Nomura: That part is also a bit vague. In the Destiny Islands when Riku is swallowed by the darkness, there's a sparkle of light, and next comes the scene where Sora first gets the Keyblade, right? In my setting, the darkness wrapping itself around those two is the darkness of Riku's heart. At the moment when Sora enters that darkness, the light you can see is the light of the heart. Sora, trying to help Riku, struggling in the darkness, touches that light and temporarily the Keyblade goes to Sora


    so you see, the darkness that is swallowing riku is the setting of the sun and the light that sora touches is the light that that moon touches when the sun sets when the moon REflects the suns re's or rays

    don't believe me?
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    see they show you the night time with the light of the moon in the shape of a heart


    why do you think the months in the autumn all end with EMBER?
    SEPTEMBER, October, November, December

    The -ber in four Latin month names is probably from -bris, an adjectival suffix. Tucker thinks that the first five months were named for their positions in the agricultural cycle, and "after the gathering in of the crops, the months were merely numbered."

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=December&allowed_in_frame=0

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    the colors of the struggle competition red, blue green and yellow.

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    red vs blue
     
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  2. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

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    the champion SETzer
    like the setting sun
    notice the resemblance to riku.
     
  3. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    when you beat riku in the race on destiny islands you get a "pretty stone"
    its description is "a beautiful stone that glistens in the sun

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    the colors of the harvest time
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    green, red, yellow and blue of the sky.

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  4. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    ven and jack jack, notice the orange
    jack jack helps ven steal the pearl from the cat Lucifer.

    Setzer is a playable character in Final Fantasy VI. He is a Gambler who lives on the wild side and owns the world's only airship: the Blackjack.
    notice setzers purple colors

    the harvest time is the time of the dying sun. the time before the death of winter when all the vegetation dies and everything freezes.

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    ven frozen by xehanort

    the SOLstIce of the sun
    the etymology is as follows

    Middle English: from Old French, from Latin solstitium, from sol ‘sun’ + stit- ‘stopped, stationary’ (from the verb sistere ).

    the time of the harvest is the time of the evening or the even the time of the two faces of truth and lies
    such as the two face mayor in Halloween town

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    and the two faces of ven and sora

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  5. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    the 2 in one

    the Deity if you notice has the word day in it because our day consist of two opposite polarities of night and day

    deus (n.) [​IMG]"God, a god," see Zeus; c. 1300 as a French interjection; never nativized, but appearing in adopted Latin expressions such as deus absconditus "hidden god."

    etymonline.com

    supreme god of the ancient Greeks and master of the others, 1706, from Greek, from PIE *dewos- "god" (cognates: Latin deus "god," Old Persian daiva- "demon, evil god," Old Church Slavonic deivai, Sanskrit deva-), from root *dyeu- "to gleam, to shine;" also the root of words for "sky" and "day" (see diurnal). The god-sense is originally "shining," but "whether as originally sun-god or as lightener" is not now clear.

    you see the deus or the zeus is the God of the sky, and the deus or the deuce is the 2

    deuce (n.) [​IMG]late 15c., "the 2 in dice or cards," also "a roll of 2 in dice" (1510s), from Middle French deus (Modern French deux), from Latin duos (nominative duo) "two"

    and that's why the playing card are cut or DIE as in diagonal which is cut just like the annuel year between spring and autumn


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    thus the Bi cycle of the days or deity and the annuel year.


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    look closely at the magic mirror...those are the houses of the zodiac
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    soul eater
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    HARVEST TIME!
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    the scythe
    scythe (n.) [​IMG]Old English siðe, sigði, from Proto-Germanic *segithoz "to cut"
    (also notice the moon)

    JUST LIKE the zodiac is cut.

    WHICH BRING US TO?!

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    CHRONOS! or as he is other wise know, "father time" notice the hour glass in his hands.
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    the black soul eater

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    does the white hair and tan skin remind you of anyone and hmmm wouldn't you say that orange face logo looks a WEEEEEE bit like the "JACK o lantern" of harvest time???! hmm any chance?

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    Rikus soul eater

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    the scythe or sickle of the harvest.



    KH wiki
    Some time after arriving at Hollow Bastion and being taken in by Maleficent, Riku learns to summon the Soul Eater, which he uses as his primary weapon. Later, while he is in Traverse Town, he uses it to take out a pair of Soldiers

    so, the first time riku uses his soul eater is to take out a few soldiers eh?

    well SOL like the SOL OF THE SOLSTICE is the SUN and the etymology of the word die, is YOU guessed it

    die (v.) [​IMG]mid-12c., possibly from Old Danish døja or Old Norse deyja "to die, pass away," OR

    die (n.) [​IMG]early 14c. (as a plural, late 14c. as a singular), from Old French de "die, dice,"
    as in to cut just like the zodiac or the SCYTHE or sickle

    so a soldier, is a sun sacrifice. one who dies for the sun
    because you see....riku is Saturn...."the black sun" the harvest God

    if you look closely at the soul eater you can see clearly the sickle
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    the harvest time.

     
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  6. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I honestly think you're over analyzing a game meant for children. It's called apophenia when people try to find a connection where there is none.
     
  7. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    Disney movies where made for kids but plenty of lawsuits were filed because of their inappropriate content in movies and they had to edit content and re release the films
    also take a look at what nomura says
    About Riku being the rightful owner of the Keyblade - why is it that Sora had the Keyblade first?
    Nomura: That part is also a bit vague. In the Destiny Islands when Riku is swallowed by the darkness, there's a sparkle of light, and next comes the scene where Sora first gets the Keyblade, right? In my setting, the darkness wrapping itself around those two is the darkness of Riku's heart. At the moment when Sora enters that darkness, the light you can see is the light of the heart. Sora, trying to help Riku, struggling in the darkness, touches that light and temporarily the Keyblade goes to Sora

    why does he say in my setting? because he is actually telling a very common anthropomorphic story of something else. you can think im over analyzing but that's just your uninformed opinion.
    id love it if you actually gave your opinion on a few of the clues and why they are wrong besides just saying im over analyzing and running off.
     
  8. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    What does inappropriate images have to do with anything? One man's actions doesn't discredit an entire genre of children movies.

    also take a look at what nomura says
    That is what I mean by over analyzing when you pick out three words in a paragraph that can be easily explained because Nomura wrote the story so he's showing possession of the story or simply the translator could have interpreted those words differently.

    I suppose; I can at least do you the courtesy of telling why they are wrong, but either way the overall message that I'm getting across is still there's no connection. I can link Kingdom Hearts to Islam or Christianity because making loose acquisitions but that doesn't hold any substance.
     
  9. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    none of what you are saying is really relevant to me because you are just inventing excuses
    "could mean anything else or COULD Have been interpreted wrong is not you really considering MY argument its just you deciding my argument is wrong despite not really having any knowledge on the subject

    Nomura said "in my setting" because he is telling an anthropomorphic story the same as many other diney movies which square had to get permission from Disney to create Kingdom hearts.
    and besides its really not up for debate secrete fraternities do exist, the free masons, the skull and bones, the OTO etc. they are an ancient order and they exist and they practice the old religions of the ancients and the symbolize it in media everywhere.

    after all these connections you cant even say there is no connection

    this thread doesn't even deal with the illuminati I don't even call them that this is about the true meaning of Kingdom hearts not the illuminati
     
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  10. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    ^_^. Aren't you inventing excuses? Isn't it more plausible that the creator of the story would show possession of his own story? Isn't it not more plausible that there are multiple ways to translate a sentence? You're whole argument is based on the translation of a symbolic language into a latin based language that does not possess equivalent sounds and meanings. An accurate translation may not even be entirely possible to convey. A translator translates to the best of their ability through their own interpretations. Selecting three arbitrary words doesn't give you a basis for anything. It doesn't prove that he's telling some deeper meaning story. You're reaching and that's not evidence.

    -P.S. Didn't say anything about Illuminati in this thread.
     
  11. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    yes maybe those things may be more plausible if we had any indication of that but it seems like you are just coming up with that because of my theory. and only if you do not consider or have knowledge of the symbolic references in kingdom hearts, Disney and most all other media. and my argument is based on phonetics from the Phoenicians which most all modern languages today use. that's why most modern languages have and alphabet starting with the Aleph and the Bet

    the Alpha is the Aries ram or lamb.

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    the ancient Paleo Hebrew Aleph which is an Ox head. the first letter of the Aleph-Bet because the ram leads the way through the annuel year.

    the English A is also an ram or lamb upside down turn the A upside down and you will see the ram of aries.

    and of course paleo Hebrew is read backwards according to English and so the word above, starting with the Aleph is Aman.

    and this is why we have Aang who rides around on a bull

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  12. Become

    Become The Pink Opaque Staff Member Moderator Content Writer

    Honestly, Yacob, your interpretation leaves a lot of work to be desired. The organization of its presentation is plain sloppy, and only degrades in quality as it progresses, reaching a quality akin to a game of, albeit somewhat philosophical, Scattergories. It also seems to stray off from (what I can only ascertain as) your central thesis: of KH representing the sun's travel through the houses of the Zodiac. Overall, the majority of the information just comes off as a lot of random, trivia information, because it's not held together by a coherent structure.
     
  13. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    the ancients practiced and studied the seasons because the harvest of the crops were how they made a living and how they feed themselves so knowing the cycles of the sun actually saved the ancients lives. as well as in the ancient world the morning light was the most important thing for human existence for a long time.

    and these are clues I deciphered I haven't found them all yet but I have been able to grasp it is an anthropomorphic story of the annuel year
     
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  14. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Such a bold acclamation. You've already started off wrong. The origin of religion is unknown and you stating it as a fact is wrong. There are plenty of theories about religious origins and you're basing your first statement on a theory that may or may not be true. Next what are you talking about with RE and ligion. There is no evidence supporting the connection between the word 'religion' and whatever you're trying to make it out to be. You're dissecting something with no basis. Religion comes from latin 'religio' that means something along the lines of reverencing a deity. That's what I mean when there's no connection and you're trying to force one. Clearly, there's an explanation, but you're forcing a connection that doesn't exist.
    Are you kidding me right now? Excalibur is an allusion to the Sword in the Stone, a Disney Film. That Merlin is in! The High Wind blueprints were named after the raft. Nothing more. Nothing Less.

    Do you hear yourself? What is the connection between the character Ansem and mensa? What is the link between mensa meaning table and the round table besides the word "table". That's what I'm saying. It's B.S. connections. There's this thing called correlation and unless you can prove that one thing directly impacts the other it doesn't make any sense.

    I'm not going any further because there's no evidence and no connection. Arbitrary analysises don't support theories. Your method of dissecting words, isolating excerpts, and looking for resemblance to fit your own theory doesn't support your case in the slightest. Like I said, it's called apophenia when you try to make unrelated things seem connected.

    Anyone with enough time can do that!
     
  15. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    the word religion has two elements

    religion (n.) [​IMG]
    c. 1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows
    According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again" (in reading or in thought), from re- "again" because the sun REvolves around the earth. atleast that's what the ancients believed
    (see re-) + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (Servius, Lactantius, Augustine) and the interpretation of many modern writers connects it with religare "to bind fast"

    legion (n.) [​IMG]
    c. 1200, from Old French legion "Roman legion" (3,000 to 6,000 men, under Marius usually with attached cavalry "body of soldiers," from legere (the same word in re+legere
    so a legion is a group of members essentially, just like all the REligious groups of today.
    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=board&allowed_in_frame=0

    also it should be fairly common knowledge that the ancients tracked the movements of the stars and appropriated great meaning in significance to them. to them the sun brought life on earth each day and its descent into the darkness in winter time marked the time of the harvest when everything died. so if the ancients hadn't known these things then they would have been in trouble. that's the connection between the zodiac table and the table of mensa because the etymology of table is the sacrificial table where the sun or the sun sacrifice is sickled or cut or dies as a sacrifice to the sun.

    so this is what I mean about not knowing what you are talking about and disagreeing anyway.
     
  16. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    And that's my point, you're giving out arbitrary tidbits that aren't relevant.
     
  17. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    lol how is etymology not relevant?

    relevant (adj.) [​IMG]
    "pertinent to the matter at hand," 1550s, from Middle French relevant "depending upon," originally "helpful
    re- [​IMG]
    word-forming element meaning "back to the original place; again, anew, once more

    you don't even know what you are talking about.
     
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  18. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Isn't it obvious? Etymology doesn't explain how two things are related. It doesn't explain to what degree two things are related.
     
  19. Yacob

    Yacob Banned

    etymology is the study of the origin of words so actually it does show how two different things are related. see you don't understand something very basic about early civilization and language. and the truth is language predates the oldest civilization that ever existed. because language is simply sophisticated communication but all of the animal kingdom communicates which gestures and grunts and noises, with colors with expressions.

    because communication is about the communion so we have to communicate to have relationships with people do you understand? and communication is more than just words.

    soo if you know anything about early human life than you know how important agriculture and animal domestication really was for humans
    the resources of livestock, rams and lambs
    their meat was eaten their dung was fertilizer and fire fuel and their fur coats were used to make clothes so its why the bull is so important in so many ancient religions.

    its the golden calf of the bible or the mystical steed that carried off muhammed and the cow god of Hinduism. etc

    also its not just the etymology I have a lot of connections in my post.
     
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  20. Become

    Become The Pink Opaque Staff Member Moderator Content Writer

    Please refrain from multiposting. We have our friend the edit button for a good reason.
     

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