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Guns and Games

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by FON, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Oh pretty please point it out to where I said EVERYONE abuses the use of a gun. Besides, I'm not one of those touchy touchy animal lovers who thinks that to use a gun to be like Elmer Fudd, blowing off pretty birds feathers and a duck's head off while chasing wabbits is evil. I have yet to see the reason why there should be restrictions on hunting (Never went hunting myself and wouldn't even care... unless fishing counts. :p ) If you truly want my opinion of the usage of guns are being abused, yes, then I do believe that the right is being abused.

    And you really do not believe that they either wouldn't care or can just cover their tracks? Plus, why should it matter as to whether it was done legally or not. They can be sneaky getting it legally just as much as the next guy getting the gun illegally. Strict laws on not only on purchases but also on getting their hands on one is needed (And who knows how many people are clever enoughto have their ammunitions hidden well from everyone so that they can pass it on to the next person). And as for the "people included in" the many groups that I can think of, I say a huge amount.

    Oh please. A crime of negligence. All of us would be guilty for that without even using a gun. I don't even want to talk about a person who "sticks their gun in a cookie jar" (And how many people do you know who even do that anyway?) because to me, that's just dumb for someone to even do that wihtout even thinking. If hiding a gun is so difficult, then the last case scenario would actually be to just ban guns completely. More like having people arguing over this because they may get fined because "regardless where they hid it, someone found it" and regardless if the person did not just "leave it around", it will still be seen in that perspective.
     
  2. NeRo

    NeRo Your Supreme Lord And Savior Staff Member Administrator

    Plainly put new gun control laws will only give a temporary sense of security to people but in the real scheme of things. Nothing will actually change. Those people that go about rampages and kill people, Gang shoot outs, drive-by shootings, Homicide attempts. These people do not have legally traced guns So this would do close to nothing to hurt them. Take the assault weapons away your just going to have more people with hand guns. Lower the amount of clips in a gun, the more clips people will carry.

    There really is no " solution" to gun control. Period.

    @ Summoner, those people that go through the loops to get a gun license and buy a gun legally, What reason would they need to cover there tracks? it can and will be traced back to them somehow our lovely friends over at the FBI are pretty good at finding someone if they need to. let alone track a simple gun back to the owner weather it be via purchase, Store, or records. They WILL find him or her. Now this isn't to say they will find everyone every time but with that thought in mind that there is a pretty good chance they can be traced tracked and found is more than enough to stop them from " hiding or covering" there tracks. Thats like saying someone went through all the hoops to become a American Citizen yet still hides out as a illegal immigrant.

    Logic man, use your noggin.
     
  3. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Hm... temporary security? Oh yea. We can still die by getting stabbed or get blown up. That sucks so bad. I'm so dumb.

    Might as well ban guns from the public completely and just let the police force and maybe those who hunt use them. Let's just face it. If there is no "solution" then we might as well ban guns from the country. Maybe we will have a lower death rate by then and will be up there with China.
     
  4. NeRo

    NeRo Your Supreme Lord And Savior Staff Member Administrator

    Australia Banned guns Go look up their numbers and rates of crimes. Deaths went down, rapes/brutal murders/Robbery's All went up.

    You must not have understood what i meant by temporary sense of security. People will think " oh yes they are coming down on guns!" Mentally they will feel better but in reality nothing will change. at least nothing noticeable or monuemental.
     
  5. FON

    FON A Lazy Comic Artist

    I'll say this, here in Georgia, in Kennesaw, they set up a law for everyone to have a gun, and the crime rate went down by 50% in a month. I'm not exaggerating, but this happened. Why?

    If everyone has a gun, why should you go rob someone if you know your screwed?
     
  6. NeRo

    NeRo Your Supreme Lord And Savior Staff Member Administrator

    Valid point

    Guy1 wouldnt walk into Guy2's house knowing that if GUY2 wakes up, he is in deep shit.
     
  7. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Oh WOW! Then I guess guns really don't kill people and that people kill people! I give up. If putting a stop to one crime will not do anything, then we might as well put a stop to every single crime as much as we can. Otherwise, we should all agree that this is just a waste of time then. Let us go by what Zac said saying why trying to change something now. I mean, if we put more laws on guns, then there is a possibility that we will end up like Australia. Regardless, more lives are lost anyways so why should I care right now? Looks pointless. I might as well buy me a gun now for my protection. Just give everyone a gun and just take away some of the original gun law restrictions. Let some people have a gun so that we can all show that if they try to shoot at us, we'll shoot back at them. Oh thank you sweet America.

    And yes, I understood what you meant by temporary sense of security, which what made me bring up the part about getting burnt and getting stabbed and even getting bullied and jumped on.
     
  8. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    There will always be crime. Don't rack your brain over it. And what's wrong with Australia? In comparison with the United States. It's more of a safe-haven. Also, your over exaggerating. It makes you sound like you don't have a clue what your saying. Honestly, the past couple of posts; I have no clue what your saying.


    If GUY2 wakes up what is the chance that he'll survive the encounter? It's probably not high.

    Australia banned certain types of guns. They don't allow people to have guns for no reason or for protection. Actually, Australia is a pretty safe country. Australia's rapes and robbery were rising before the ban. Lastly, last year across the board everything decreased.
     
  9. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    At least we are not like El Salvador (Supposedly had the highest death rate byguns in 2009. Cannot find any info to see if it lowered or not last year). What is the point? If stopping one crime such as adding more gun laws is going to try to make someone else find a way to do something else as a crime from what I am reading from Vox's post, then there is basically no reason to add restrictions and that we should just give people more guns for more added protection. If Vox wanted to bring up the claim such as using Australia as proof that after banning guns, certain types of crime went up, then why should anyone genuinely care about adding more restrictions to guns? We may reduce death rates but yet something else will come up and then there will be an debate on that. Vox is claiming that there is really no "solution" in even solving anything about gun control and that it is not really changing anything so if it won't make a difference, then why should we care?

    As for my couple of posts, I don't know how you cannot understand it (Since Kitty seems to understand) so you might as well reread.
     
  10. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    It matters because the only people stricter gun regulations and a more indepth background check before purchasing a gun are going to effect are the people who go through the proper channels and legally acquire their weapons. And in my opinion, those people who go through that trouble are not the ones likely to be career criminals (i.e. in gangs or assassins, the two examples you mentioned), so the laws aren't actually stopping those criminals from getting weapons. Or what Vox said.

    Oh please. You're being purposely obtuse.

    I don't think every gun owner is careless with their guns, but I do think a lot of the crimes we see involving school shootings (since this thread is about guns AND violent video games, which are usually brought up in those sorts of crimes) could have been prevented if the killer's parents had kept a better lock on their weapons. Because I'm pretty sure 15 year olds can't just go out and purchase their own guns. And I'm not saying the cops need to be nitpicky as hell over how guns are stored- that they need to be in vaults surrounded by concrete with a retinal scan lock. But someone who just sticks their guns and the bullets under their bed in a way easily accessed by their child going on a murderous rampage, I think should have some responsibility for not keeping them out of the wrong hands. *shrugs*

    Well, you are going off a bit in that "WOW!" post, and sound a bit ridiculous there, no offense meant. But yes, I have managed to understand what you're saying, though I can't say I agree with it.

    This.
     
  11. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Then there needs to be a way in which it can only target those which I have mentioned. You brought up background check so maybe that would work.

    But the fact that people want everything down as low as the crime rate can get for them, certainly it can still be a problem, whether it be crime by gun or not.
     
  12. NeRo

    NeRo Your Supreme Lord And Savior Staff Member Administrator

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