Man Vs. Woman: Self Defense in Communication

I agree with this.

I think if a woman hits a man, she should do it with the expectation that she'll get hit back. I think everyone has a right to defend themselves, and it's not fair to expect a man not to. But I think there's defending yourself, and then there's taking it too far. I do think a man should consider how hard he fights back if the woman is a lot smaller and weaker (or vice versa, I guess I just don't find it sporting to take advantage of someone else' size/lack of strength like that, regardless of gender). Of course, if the woman is seriously like trying to kill him, then the man should do whatever he has to.

But I think the answer to this question sort of depends on the situation. And personally, I don't think anyone should be using violence on anyone else in this sort of domestic violence situation (at least, that's kind of the situation I think Summoner's focusing on here).

I think this was one long, rambling reply. Meh.

 

Apparently you didn't fully read or comprehend what I wrote in the rest of my post, because I clearly said that if a woman were to hit a man, she should fully expect to be hit back (and that means taking responsibility for her actions). So yes, if I were to hit Vox (and why would I, because he seems awesome?), I would expect him to hit me back. And I would not hold it against him if he (as someone who I assume is taller/stronger than me because I'm short and generally a weakling) hit me at the same strength or a little harder than I hit him, seeing as I was the aggressor. But again, yes, I do find it a little unfair or unsporting, if you will, in a not life or death or even very serious situation, for someone OF ANY GENDER who is much bigger and/or stronger than someone else to hit them back much harder than they were hit. And the same goes for your situation with the little person (isn't that the politically correct way of putting it?). If the little person, despite their size, was much stronger than the person they were hitting back, I would kind of expect them to pull their punch a bit, too. It has nothing to do with size and gender specifically, although IN GENERAL, NOT ALWAYS, a taller man will be stronger than a much smaller woman. That's just how it is. I know if I were much stronger than the person I was fighting, and not in fear of my life, I would not hit them in the head with a pipe hard enough to land them in the hospital if what they did first was slap me and leave a red mark on my arm. I believe in fairness, I guess.

But of course, I can't really think of a situation in which I would be so angry that I'd actually hit someone, and even if they hit me, I very much doubt I'd hit them back.

 

My opinion is pretty simple.

Women have worked hard for equal treatment so yeah basically if a female hits a male or vice versa. Both should expect repercussions. Even though, women are still not treated as equals. I personally wouldn't hit a female like I would hit a male. I couldn't care less about opinions of others. It'll die down and everyone will move on.

 

I did not say it was unfair to punch someone back who is smaller than yourself. What I said, and what you seem to fail to grasp, is that I feel that the person retaliating should only use as much force as needed, and not excessive force. I.e. if I slap Vox across his face (and why are we picking on Vox?), I would fully expect him to slap me back across the face. But I think it is unacceptable for him to break my nose and knock out a few of my teeth if all I've done to him is leave a red mark and a little pain. And likewise, if Vox were to slap me, I do not think it would be right for me to break his nose and knock out his teeth in retaliation. And if my position on this is still not making sense to you (which it apparently is not), if I were to hit Destiny (let's just pick on all the staff), or she were to hit me, I consider it the same thing. Or, if Vox were to slap you. Force should be used to defend yourself from an attacker if needed, but you shouldn't go overboard with it.

And I've also said that it is not about size or gender, exactly, though I think it is reasonable to assume that both of those characteristics play into a person's strength. Yes, there are smaller statured women who kick some serious ass, and there are bigger men who are physically weak. But in general. And really, it's not even about the potential strength, either. I have a problem with someone using excessive force to fight back. And I think it is easier for a stronger person to accidentally use that excessive force. And I really don't see why you find this so difficult to get out of my posts. Besides the fact that you seem determined to put words in my mouth and make me say whatever it is you want to argue against.

I'm assuming the kind of arguments that would lead to two people beating on each other in the way you've been suggesting would tend to involve people who actually know each other, and based on that knowledge, you can take a gander on how strong the other may be. And besides, you (as the man (or woman, I suppose) who's just been hit) can feel how hard you were just hit and act accordingly. Again, I am against the use of EXCESSIVE FORCE.

You keep trying to turn this around as if I'm saying that it is just fine for women to hit men and men should never hit them back, and I have said NOTHING OF THE SORT. It gets very irritating trying to debate you because it's like you just read whatever you want to read without actually even looking to see what the other participants have posted.

@Destiny: Thanks for agreeing. XD

 

and apparently i hit women now.

 

Nice, huh? But you're the admin, so you get to be the example. We still love you, though.

Attacking is attacking is attacking. Punching is the same thing as hitting as far as this debate is concerned. And I did not say they should not hit back, though if I'm being completely honest, I don't think anyone should be hitting anyone else to begin with.

I don't think there is a "too small", exactly. I think what's more important is the difference in sizes and strengths between the two fighters in that it could lead to a difference in the amount of force behind an attack. If the two people are evenly matched (however that comes about), then whatever, they can both smack each other around as hard as they want.

I kind of wish you'd just ignore any talk in my posts about strength and size from now on, because I still feel you are missing my point and it continues to irritate me to try and come up with different wording to explain. Basically, in my opinion, if you, as a man or woman, hit someone, you should take responsibility for your actions and you should expect that person to hit you back. Gender should not matter. But I also think that that person should not take advantage and use excessive force when retaliating. THAT is what I find unfair. If there is a man and a woman fighting and the man has a foot and a half on the woman and knows he can hit much harder than her, then yes, I find it unfair for him to hit her back with his full strength. If a man and a woman are fighting and the woman is a black belt in karate or some shit and the man rarely does anything physical, then yes, I find it unfair for her to hit him back with her full strength. A slap on the cheek does not equal getting pushed down a flight of stairs. And this is again assuming this is not occurring in a life or death situation.

And so yeah, I think this is my last post in this thread for a while, because I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over.

 

Kitty Won This Argument. That is All.

 

In my personal life, I agree. I would personally never strike someone I was arguing with, nor would I want to be with someone who would strike me, and I also personally believe that there are almost always better ways to solve a problem than violence. But the question behind this debate was not "Is violence the answer?" but, "Is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman who hits him first?", which means that there is hitting going on in the hypothetical situation whether I personally agree with it or not. And my answer is yes, based on gender alone, there is no reason why it should not be acceptable. But I think the retaliation should be in self defense, not to make the situation worse or cause more pain than was inflicted by the aggressor, and so if the victim, the one who was hit first, is a much bigger and stronger man, then I think he does have a responsibility to keep from accidentally seriously damaging the woman, particularly if this started out as a relatively harmless slap across the face or something like that.

And I already didn't keep my word by posting in here again after I said I was done, so this time I really mean it. I've said what I think, and certainly nothing Summoner says will change my mind, so I'm out of here.