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The Unsent: Is Sending them Weak?

Discussion in 'Final Fantasy X' started by EtherealSummoner, Mar 7, 2012.

  1. Mar 7, 2012 #1
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    After playing FFX-2 and FFX, I had realize something very strange. In Final Fantasy X in Guadosalam, Lord Jyscal Guado, Seymour's father, try to escape from the Farplane as he returned to the living to give Yuna a sphere before being sent back into the Farplane once again. Two years later in Final Fantasy X-2, he appears again in the Via Infinito area. Here are two links to show what I am talking about. With the first link, go to 3:30.

    Let's play Final Fantasy X part 58: Lulu on marriage - YouTube

    Final Fantasy X-2 International - NG+ - Yuna vs. Black Elemental (Bevelle Floor 40) - YouTube

    Now why do I find this weird? Well, if you have been sent once, SHOULDN'T YOU STAY IN THE FARPLANE?! Well, first off, when you look into FFX, you will realize from Auron after the group leaves the Farplane:

    Yuna: I don't understand how a man like Lord Jyscal die and not be sent.
    Lulu: I would think that he was sent once... but he stayed on Spira. Something, a powerful emotion could have bound him to this world, such things happen.
    Rikku: That's against the rules, isn't it?
    Auron: It means he died an unclean death.

    So, if that theory is true, then regardless if we defeated Lord Jyscal in FFX-2 when he became a Black Elemental, he would not stay on the Farplane and may still come back. I find it strange, especially since a sending is to send souls to the Farplane and that they are to be 100% foolproof. As of now, I am starting to doubt that. Now, I can understand about Wen Kinoc not going into the Farplane as well as those such as Yunalesca and Zaon. However, when I thought more on this, I start to think... what would happen if those who already died and has been sent once will still be able to come back the same way that Lord Jyscal did? Maybe they too could be bound to the living like he did. What do all of you guys think?
     
  2. Mar 8, 2012 #2
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Something to remember is that the X-2 bosses are just that, bosses. I don't think we are necessarily supposed to assume that the people who transformed into fiends that we fought inside there truly did escape the Farplane in the Spira universe. The developers probably just wanted us to see familiar faces (or wanted to reuse character models). You'll notice in that scene that Yuna never had a *Gasp* "Lord Jyscal, I thought I sent you already!" moment.

    Jyscal only came back because he was concerned about Seymour's crazy, and since Seymour had been neutralized, there would be no reason for him to disregard Yuna's sending and come back again. In the context of game-making, Jyscal was needed to warn Yuna about Seymour, and his return from the dead accomplished that task in a simple enough way. But if it were common for people to disregard being sent and come back to Spira anyhow, there really wouldn't be any reason to send them to begin with. And there'd be no way to stop crazies like Seymour (who you know felt strongly about what he was doing) from continuing to come back from being sent to wreak havoc. I think the law of the universe is sent= at peace, except for the one time use of Jyscal as a plot device.
     
  3. Mar 23, 2012 #3
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    And? I think you went and forgot about how they went and reacted to Maestor Kinoc.

    Final Fantasy X-2 - 082 - Via Infinito, Levels 1 - 20 - YouTube
     
  4. Mar 24, 2012 #4
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    ^ Well, I haven't played this game in years, so I think I can be forgiven for not remembering every little detail about it.

    At the beginning of the video, the characters mention that the place seems like the farplane. And the deal with the farplane was that the pyreflies reacted to people's memories and showed them visions of people who they'd lost. So maybe that's part of why they see who they see.

    The characters speculate that Kinoc may be a wandering unsent and that there may be more around, but I continue to stand by my opinion that the characters were mainly thrown in there to give us familiar bosses. X-2 hardly has the best story development and sometimes contradicts X in nonsensical ways (see: the good/perfect endings). It just doesn't make sense for there to even be sendings and a farplane if so many dead people can manage to escape it.
     
  5. Jun 8, 2012 #5
    Mike

    Mike Member

    Perhaps defeating them and providing a second chance to die yields a...non...unclean death. If that makes sense?
     
  6. Jul 12, 2012 #6
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I just thought of something (Went and forgot all about this) but wouldn't this is like... another way for them to cheat death literally? I mean, think of why there are still some fiends roaming about. They were to stay on Spira through their anger as another way to stay on the farplane. There are some like Auron who had a purpose and refuse to leave until their purpose are accomplished. Maybe it is will vs. the Summoner's Sending.

    Think about it. Yuna tried to send Lady Ginnem once and Ginnem brutally knocked Yuna back so we know that you can't just send a person away, meaning that it will take a fight to weaken them and to send them perfectly. The spirit of those fiends and those who was not sent can use the pyreflies to take on a form, whether fiend or their original bodies in order to keep the cycle going unless they accepts death willingly or have help with the summoner. Not only that, they need something strong for them in order to stay on the world.

    Its... similar to our lives in a way. We try to resist death and we try to cling onto life and some of us accepts death and move on while some of us have grieved too much that we end up changing our own personality... which is why we tend to hear about ghosts and spirits lingering in certain places. Those certain places are the reason why they tend to stay on the earth because they have a certain connection with something, violent or not.
     

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