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Lives Equilibrium

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Angel, Jun 20, 2011.

Do you choose saving more lives over fewer or vice versa?

Poll closed Jun 19, 2012.
  1. Sacrifice the Minority for the Majority!

    42.9%
  2. Sacrifice the Majority for the Minority!

    14.3%
  3. When the time arises you just can not choose!

    42.9%
  1. Rojas250

    Rojas250 New Member

    Personally, I did a report on something like this, and there's more to it. I'll come back and give you my short feedback later.
     
  2. ADogX

    ADogX R.I.P. Captain Unohana

    That'd be great. But no matter what I'm sticking to my opinion
     
  3. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I would like to hear it.

    Opinions change.
     
  4. ADogX

    ADogX R.I.P. Captain Unohana

    true, but not mine
     
  5. Become

    Become The Pink Opaque Staff Member Moderator Content Writer

    If all people (individuals) are to be taken as equal in value/worth, then naturally more people = more value, in the general understanding of it.

    But...

    For the sake of those pesky situational circumstances, I'd have to say that I simply cannot decide. When it comes down to it, there are loads of different conditions under which such a decision would have to be made. Don't forget that in dropping the atom bomb, whilst ending the war in Japan, there was also a severe consequence for those people caught in the bombing. Those that survived were horribly scared and left with diseases as a result of radiation. Some would have met their end at the hands of slower, more painful deaths than those that might have been killed as a result of battle. Yet at that same, in that situation, opting for such an end might have resulted what would otherwise been the absolute annihilation of an entire nation that simply wouldn't give in until the last breath had been draw.

    With that being my case in mind, I'd have to say that there comes a point at which calling that sort of shot becomes difficult. Do you op to at least tryto cleanly kill millions? Or do you drop the bomb and kill thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands and leave others to suffer, but remain alive? On a smaller scale, I think it's an easier decision to make. If one person is planning on killing two or three others for some reason, then the obvious course of action, from my point of view (provided of course that those three weren't going to kill even more), would be that the one person would have to be stopped in one way or another, and if killing proved the only way to achieve that, then so be it.
     
  6. ADogX

    ADogX R.I.P. Captain Unohana

    I see your point. I have to add that I'd save the low amount of people if the case was to save more. Say like, some crazy Cult. If they went to kill a few people, and they were a large group, I'd save the low amount cuz the Cult could move on to others
     
  7. Napoléon

    Napoléon Kuroko Fangirl

    I like your thought process.

    I'm personally one of those people who would save a majority over a minority (sorry the lonely 1,000 you might be missed.) Depending on the situation though might change my answer because if it seemed more essential to save the 1, 000 then of course I would. In general though I think helping more people is a lot better than helping less since, in my opinion, more people have more value to them. There would also be less grieving because instead of having 1 000 000 families feeling sorrow, you'd only have 1 000 or so.

    I actually don't believe in killing someone who killed or is planing on killing another person. I don't like the idea of executing let's say 'gangs' or little mafia crews because you're never going to stop them from spreading, so why bother ? There's not enough prison space for them all because they grow at alarming rates and to kill them all would be a blood bath (let's face it) and I think you'd have to be a little sick to kill so many people, regardless if they were planning on doing harm to others. Gangs, however, would be a subject all to themselves so I'll have to leave that idea there.

    I'll use a different situation. Say if Old Man Garry son decided to kill his father, for whatever reason, does that mean we should kill his son in order to prevent him from starting a psychotic path of killing the rest of his family ? I wouldn't kill him, but that might be because I was raised in Canada and we don't kill people who have killed others. In the States you still can right, like you inject something in them with a needle and it stops their heart or something, right ? I hope the electric chair isn't still used.

    Anyways. my motto for this is,
    Life isn't all lollipops and candy, it's cruel and can suck. Get over it.



    ---Now an interesting topic would be Guantanamo Bay. That's sick in my opinion but some higher ups in America have justified why it's useful.
     
  8. ADogX

    ADogX R.I.P. Captain Unohana

    ^ You make a lot of sense. But for that last line, wtf even happens at Guantanamo Bay?
     
  9. Rojas250

    Rojas250 New Member

    @keybladelegacy
    First i have to find it.......its buried beneath all of my $#&@.
     
  10. ADogX

    ADogX R.I.P. Captain Unohana

    lol you don't have to bleep it. But please find it. I'm eager to read it. Hopefully it's on my side xD
     
  11. Rojas250

    Rojas250 New Member

    @ADogX123
    *laughs*......alright.....you know, personally, i cannot actually find it, but if i recall, i wrote something in the middle as in when the time arises you just can not choose. I'll try to keep looking...
     
  12. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I like it. Even though we say a human's life is priceless. It's still contracting, they are equal in value and worth so all lives are priceless. A thousand lives may be less but all are priceless. A million lives may be more but all are priceless. How can you compare more or less lives when they all are priceless? Can you label more people as more valuable than less people who have less value? It's not equal. It has to go one way or the other.


    True.

    The Japanese were stubborn but an absolute annihilation is a bit exaggerated.

    You seem like you would choose that.

    Still that is putting a price on priceless lives.

    Actually there would be more.

    I don't know about the electric chair here. Georgia hasn't done that in a while. Yeah we still give lethal injections.

    Hippie XD
     
  13. ADogX

    ADogX R.I.P. Captain Unohana

    =/ how am I a hippie? :p
     
  14. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    How does that add anything to the debate?

    In general, I would choose to save the majority at the expense of the minority. That's not to say that the lives of the minority are any less valuable or that those people are unimportant. But if there have to be casualties, the fewer the better.
     
  15. ADogX

    ADogX R.I.P. Captain Unohana

    agreed. That's exactly what I'm saying
     
  16. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    If your a fool you dont save anybody to avoid having to make such a big choice.

    Me, i would find a way to save them all if i could. There would have to be a way to save everyone, so i would look for that. If i could not find it then i would save the majority only because with more people it would be a bit easy to rebuild an reconstruct. More people to do different jobs an there would also be more people with different talents an skillz that might make it easier to live after whatever happened. With more i there would be some scared kids an people that would have sex an reproduce an then we would have that 1,000 back after a few years. With the majority there would be people that are scared an try to take command an mess things up an there would be alot of problems then with less but when it comes to skillz an abilities an the more knowledge an able hands it would make sense. Its a more logic choice. Its gonna suck but its survival. And i think everyone knows the Answer if it came to it would be to save more then less. With less it takes longer to grow big again but with more you grow even faster an in more numbers. You have to think about the future an the actions about it.

    But i would always look for a way to save everyone 1st an i would always look as hard as i could up until the point i would have to make the choice.
     
  17. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I don't think so...

    Yeah if!

    No, there is never a way to save everyone. Pretty naive thinking but nothing wrong with that.
    It depends what you mean. A smaller amount of people can impact a country in about a century or two better than a mass of people.

    It's more likely that the "1000s" will reproduce more in percentage than the "1,000,000s". Just because thousands died wouldn't greatly affect the millions of people to replace them by having off-springs. On the other hand, the 1000s would want to preserve the human race and reproduce more.

    I really don't see the logic. It would be like a few immigrants discovering a new country that has been abandoned. This would leave more opportunities to grow, expand, and prosper. The few people to remain would be more united than the millions.

    Obviously not me.
    Yeah think about it overpopulation isn't a good thing. Look at China!
     
  18. Avalantos

    Avalantos Mr. Detective

    depends on the situation, in my opinion (harsh as it may sound) some peoples lives are much more valuable than others.
    Save 1 scientist or 10 people with down syndrome (once again I know I sound horrible) but I would save the scientist under the assumption he/she would make a bigger contribution to society.
     
  19. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Exactly, that is just how it is!

    Important people who could better impact society are seen as more valuable.
     
  20. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    Best example i can think of off the top of my head would be 2012 the newest end of the world movie. They build ships an only the rich an powerful as told about it an a few other people the world leaders found important an scientist an other way above average smarties. While everybody else is the world gets to die cuz they werent important enough an the world leaders knew they couldnt save them all. So they saved less over more so they could have a future.
    An in that situation that makes sense.
     

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