Abortion

My apologies to every one that is insulted. I guess the best reason is that the mother does not think she is ready to have a child yet and decides that someday yes, but today no. I feel that everyone is entitled to there own opinion, or I would not be able to debate, however does not mean they should go and force their own opinions on others. Sorry if you were all offended by the above post but that is just the way I see it. Plus we don't need a new law stripping rights from people. The fetus should not be considered alive until it can survive outside of the body. Again that's my opinion.

 

Trust me, you struck a bit of a nerve, but you didn't exactly offend me. I have seen that defect standpoint stated and battled for in a way you can not possibly ever compete with short of being a genocidal maniac.

And I do happen to agree with you legally. The problem is, the law hasn't made up it's mind whether the fetus is alive or not (in the US anyway; I don't know about overseas), which makes it difficult to use said legal status as a basis for this argument. Abortion, according to the US Supreme Court, is a womans legal right. Which would seem to support that the fetus is not a living entity. However, if you murder a pregnant woman and are tried ind convicted in a court of law, you will be convicted of not one count of murder, but two. This would imply that the fetus is in fact alive. Thus the implications of the law with regard to the legal status of an unborn child as "alive" would seem to be in conflict depending on the situation.

 

Well, I think I've said it before, but my basic opinion is that as long as the child was born to a family that either wanted/expected it, then an abortion should not be an option.

But, as said before if a rapist impregnated a woman, or if the woman does not feel ready for childbirth, then an abortion is both a good and helpful solution. Aborted fetuses, brace yourselves, go to medicine research. Basically, it helps US.

And that's an interesting point, Al. I think the reason it is done like that because it is inferred that the woman was planning to keep the child and at one point, it would have been alive.

 

I personally think that making an abortion illegal will probably be ten times worse than legalizing it. Underground abortions will start to happen and lives could be lost.

Abortions should just be there. It's much easier for it to be an options rather than not. It's up a woman on whether aborting is necessary, not men. If we push religious standpoint aside (which it aught to do), women should have the free right to decide for themselves if they want it. If they are against it and think it's entirely wrong morally and biologically, so be it. As long as other people can make decisions for themselves without angry house wives forming organizations protesting it. <_<

To be honest I don't care about it that much... but I'm only thinking about everyone when I say my opinion. For whatever reason, there's no reason to make it illegal. That would be much, much, much worse, in my opinion.

 

Care to say what it is about my post you object to? It's kinda hard for me to defend my statements when all I get as a response is "wow...that was just...wow". If you disagree with me, give me something to debate with you on.

 

First, I am for abortion. I think I made that obvious. Two, People sometimes do get "ungerground" abortions if they don't want anyone to know. Plus I agree with figure. We tried to ban alcohol and looked what happened? Moon Shine. It's hard to stop people from doing something they want to do. I say leave well enough alone. The laws on this are fine to me.

 

Quite frankly... if you don't like abortions then dont get one (if your a girl) and voice your opinion to YOUR wife/girlfriend if your a guy. But forcing your decisions on someone else is ridiculous. YOU can say "i dont care why, don't get an abortion" but you arent the couple that now has to go through the ordeal of birthing a baby that they are either going to begrudingly raise or just put up for adoptioin anyway. Abortion is a personal opinion and nobody has the right to decide for someone else.

 

Underground abortions took place during and before the time of the vietnam war because there weren't the proper medics to take care of them. Inexperienced abortion doctors were giving abortions, it's extremely dangerous.

It isn't wrong to have a child either. You SHOULD be able to. You CAN if you want. But judging for others is extremely unfair.

And it is "simply wrong"? Elaborate. What makes your opinion so important to the UNbias concept of the matter?

And to be technical, it isn't a child you're killing. It's a clump of cells. It isn't alive, it isn't circulating any life, it is just a clump of cells organizing to become something. You're argument should be "You're killing innocent CELLS." lol

And thank you for agreeing with me on the matter of women have the ultimate choice. =3

 

Why is it that everyone is of the opinion that men should never have a say in this. It's wrong. Whether or not it actually the woman who gives birth to the child, it's still the man's child as well. When it comes to deciding whether or not to abort a child both parents should agree on the decision. How, as guys, would feel if you found out that the woman carying your child had aborted him/her without even speaking to you about the matter? It took both of you to make the child. If you're going to undo it, it should take both as well.

 

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I agree with EbAl. The woman isnt the only person who loves the child,and a man should be able to have a say so to keep their own kid if he wants to. But abortion is something that I personally think is wrong.

 

I know that. I read it back over and decided that it was not very tough. I realize that there are other reasons but my first three seem to be pretty strong. There is always a risk in the birthing bussiness. There fore people should get the right to say "I want an abortion."

 

I'm not asking you to drop you opinion. Just except others. I'm gald you are letting others make their own choices in life.

 

Just a quick note about the last few comments:

People have been having babies for zillions of years (Ok, more like a couple thousand). If you ask me, birthing hasn't gotten any harder or more dangerous (Don't ask me as a woman (since I'm not...haha), ask me as a health enthusiast), and instead people have gotten 'weaker' both metaphorically and literally.

Literally: Women have fewer children these days...each subsequent birth gets easier (This 'strength' is transmitted from generation to generation...even though there's no scientific article backing up this claim, it seems plausible enough, doesn't it?).

Metaphorically: Now women 'cave' and go for the epidurals / drug-induced comas right off the bat.

Did you know the drug-induced coma is far more likely to cause death than childbirth?...Now you do.

Seems more to me like our society / technology is dangerous: Not our natural bodily processes.

 

But can you rule out that such things don't happen? A fetus is not alive till it can survive outside the body or is self aware. Other wise, it's a plant. Let's give women the right to abort or not to abort!

 

Well, if you'd like to discuss embryology...

A fetus has a heartbeat around the time it is 20 days old. Does a plant have a heartbeat?
A fetus has a primitive nervous system (which suggests it could feel some form of pain) by the time it is around 4 weeks old. In particular, it develops a spinal cord very early in its development.(Neural development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
I don't know any plants with spinal cords...if you do, I'd love to meet them, that'd be crazy.

Now I'm sure you can see some potential problems with this: A woman's menstrual cycle is around 4 weeks in the 'healthy female' but generally longer. (The religious side of me claims 'this is no coincidence' but I'll supress this as it is just heresay). By the time a woman knows she is pregnant (ie. missing her menstrual cycle), generally the fetus is into its fourth week of development. This is because a woman wouldn't know 'oh man, it's the 23rd today, and I was supposed to have my time of the month on the 22nd, I'm pregnant!' because it doesn't work like that. Typically a week or even 2 weeks after the fact, the woman tends to either feel ill in the mornings, or paranoid about not having her time of the month. 3 weeks (ie. the time left in the previous cycle after conception) + 1 or 2 weeks = 4 or 5 weeks old.

By the time it's even plausible to have an abortion, the fetus already (or nearly) has a heartbeat and nervous system.

 

Since Mike has taken the science route, let me show you the religious side of the issue. The second the fetus begins to develop the soul is placed within. And from that point on, the fetus grows, yada yada yada. To have an abortion is murder in the eyes of God.

 

You both miss my point. That fetus is not aware of it's existence, just as a vegetable is not self aware. Can you argue that? Also when a woman "gets laid" and does so without protection I think she would get checked out immediately, don't you think? Because generally a smart person would begin to suspect something. Give humans some credit.