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Looking at Dissidia Characters in the future

Discussion in 'Dissidia: Final Fantasy' started by Tetiro, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Seems kind of redundant to have both Edea and Ultimecia, to me. Especially when you consider that the badass Edea we knew in game was actually Ultimecia anyhow. If anything, if we're looking for a character to more or less oppose Laguna, I'd suggest Adel, although there's the same problem with her and Ultimecia being extremely similar.

    Still, good to see Laguna. Better him than some others.
     
  2. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    You're more likely to see Yuna then you will Edea. Look at the characters they've revealed. Each one of them has more to do with the storyline than other characters.

    Kain: Even though I've never played IV, I believe he's Cecil's second in command or something.

    Tifa: Compared to the other characters in VII, Tifa has more connection to Cloud than anybody else, with the possible exceptions of Aerith and Zack. But if they included Aerith, then odds are Sephiroth would end up killing her. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather not see a recreation of that scene. And Zack would probably be more of a carbon-copy to Cloud, making his character redundant.

    Laguna: He's hinted (But never revealed) to be Squall's dad. He's also technically the second main character, Squall being the main character of the main story and Laguna being the main character of the second, parallel story. Even if Laguna wasn't picked to be in the game, Rinoa and Seifer would have more priority to be in the game than Edea.

    Vaan: While he didn't quite have as much plot relevance compared to everybody else aside from Penelo, XII is told from his perspective. If anything, XII would be the exception to characters with relevance to plot, because I'd prefer Balthier to be in it, but the only characters that are truly important to the plot (Hero-wise) are Ashe and Basch.

    To be completely honest, once Edea is freed from Ultimecia's control, she isn't an important character. Her sorceress powers go Rinoa, and she only goes to Esthar because she thought she still had her powers. Like I said above, Laguna, Rinoa, and Seifer all have more plot relevance than Edea does.

    Also, I don't think they're necessarily going with a villain to oppose each hero. VII didn't really have any villain to oppose the heroes aside from Sephiroth. Let's be completely honest here. Hojo? He just went insane at the end, and wasn't really any character foil for the heroes. Rufus? He's not really a villain, at least not when compared to Sephiroth. To further go against the 1 villain for each hero thing, in VIII nobody really has anybody going against them except Squall. There was Seifer for a personal rivalry and Ultimecia for being the main villain. Hell, Adel was just some power-hungry monster who didn't have any real connection to any character. The only reason why Laguna went against her was because she took Elleone.

    For the most part, I liked VIII's characters. It's not like Square would pick a character who wasn't all that important in the end (Edea, Fujin, Raijin). And I'd be okay with them picking Zell, Quistis, Irvine, or Selphie, even though they are all a bit of a stretch for true importance.
     
  3. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    DX But don't you think that Edea should go in the game though. She made a lot of an impact in my opinion regardless of being controlled by Ultimecia. She started the Garden with Cid, took care of Ellone until she established the White Seed to hide her away while Edea is completely a puppet and destroyed her own home, we are looking at her as the protagonist/antagonist who made us thought that she was the real deal. I don't give a care for Adel. She is too manly for me anyways.

    To me, Edea made just as much of an impact like Seifer. Plus, she took care of Squall and the others when they were still kids. Which side she would be on would be hard since she might just end up in the middle or they would just make her become possessed and put her on the side of Chaos.

    As for her, I would laugh if they did put Aerith in there. it would be fun playing as her but would be fun having our heads chopped off at the end as her as we cry our hearts out hee hee hee. I HOPE WE SEE A REMIX VERSION OF THAT!
     
  4. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    No. Actual storyline, Edea became useless after she was released from Ultimecia's control and gave her powers to Rinoa. Everything you said is all backstory. Seifer, Rinoa, and Laguna all have more of an impact on the immediate storyline than Edea did. Hell, even Zell, Quistis, Selphie, and Irvine all had more of an impact on the storyline than Edea did. So she raised them. How the hell will that do anything for Dissida's storyline? You do remember that nobody remembers Edea raising them until midway through VIII.

    If they had Aerith, and you actually cried if they remade the scene, I will hunt you down and slap the tears out of you. Square will have done their stupidest idea yet if they recreate Sephiroth killing Aerith.
     
  5. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Actually, I still think that Edea would make more of an impact than what you said. Without Edea, then Seed would hardly exist at all and Squall and the others would have no one to watch over them. She is one of the reason why they still stand as they are now. This would become more of an impact for Squall in Dissidia.

    Who knows? She might just end up passing her powers unto Terra as an alternate for Rinoa. She was the first person who knew of Ultimecia's existence in the first place and she knew a lot about sorceresses and Ultimecia wanting to achieve Time Compression. She also know Laguna since he was the one who wanted her to watch over Ellone while he is going to become the new mayor of Esthar. Maybe we would even see some more information of her history as a sorceress in Dissidia before the events of FFVIII. To me, I think that the pieces would fit real well. If not, we can always make her a secret character to play. None of us didn't cry about Gabranth and Shantotto being in the game so why should we cry about whether Edea should not be in the game along with some other characters? At least none of us didn't say Cait Sith.
     
  6. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    And? What you're saying is that if SeeD was not created, there would be no possible way for the heroes to have defeated Ultimecia. The only function of SeeD in the game is to give you gil. And Edea having watched over them as children only gives the characters a small connection. Nothing the came couldn't have been without.

    No. First off, who seriously cares? It really doesn't matter what Edea's past was. Second, the only game Dissida would go into true backstory with is with the original FF. There is absolutely no reason to go into the backstory of the other games. The reason why FFI is the game for them to give more backstories into is because FFI provides the foundation for Dissidia.

    I'm certain I can find plenty of people crying about Shantotto. And I would much rather play as Cait Sith than I would Edea.
     
  7. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I have looked into this and saw that there were a debate as to whether Edea should be a part of Dissidia 012 or not. I am not the only one who agree with this but there are some others who think that Ultimecia would be ok. Even still, she can always be on the side of Cosmos since we have been shown that her real personality is kindness. Let us just stop here and just maybe create a thread on this.

    Anyways, anyone think that Garnet would make her debut?
     
  8. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Well, Squall and the others don't even remember their time with Edea, right? So, aside from the fact that the kids all grew up with her, at least for a time, I don't see how she's very significant. Adel could take just as much credit for bringing the friends together, since she's the one that started the war that orphaned all of them.

    I was thinking of Irvine here, mainly. For some reason, he always just got on my nerves. The rest of the main cast was okay.

    Agreed.

    The good side of her is pretty boring and useless. It was a real disappointment for me with Square went the possessed route with her. I wouldn't want to play as that side of her.

    She's also kind of boring. I'd personally rather see someone like Beatrix.
     
  9. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Ultimecia shouldn't even exist in FFVIII to begin with and Sorceress Adel was supposed to be the final boss but then something happened and they had to change some things around and had decided to throw in Sorceress Ultimecia. I bet that Sorceress Edea had something else planned but they was not able to even complete the rest of her sorcery limit breaks. If it wasn't for Ultimecia, Sorceress Adel or Sorceress Edea would have took away her place. Squall and the others could have still remembered her but they can't because of the G.F's. I don't know.

    I am not upset at the two of you and there are some things that I agree but I still see some things that I find Edea to still be of use.


    EDIT!!! EDIT!!!:!!! GUESS WHAT!!!! MY WISH HAS CAME TRUE!!! EDEA WILL *AS ULTIMECIA'S THIRD ALTERNATE COSTUME* BE IN THE GAME!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

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    Last edited: Dec 15, 2010
  10. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Damn. I wish that wasn't Ultimecia's costume. Simply because that isn't Ultimecia. It messes things up. But I do like Squall's new costume.
     
  11. Tetiro

    Tetiro New Member

    Though it makes Summoner scream like a little girl in the good way, I have to agree. This isnt SE's best idea, nor its worst (Missing out on Gaston in KH2 was IMO). Though Golbez's third costume rocks!
     
  12. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    By the way, since the game is coming out in NA on April 4th, any ideas for when it comes out in Japan?

    (I made a thread before saying when the game comes out. I say it is that date because I saw it listed in Gamestop)
     
  13. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! THIS IS GREAT IN MY OPINION! GO ON AND REMOVE EDEA FROM THE LIST!!! For the Edea fans, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! UP NEXT: YUNA!!! HALLELUJER!!!!

    ??? Anyone here thinks that Yunalesca will be in the game for Yuna even though people thinks that Seymour is better for Yuna? I think that we have too many heroes.


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  14. Roxion

    Roxion New Member

    Squall's new costume looks like Cloud's advent children outfit in my eyes
     
  15. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Both the new costumes are disappointing, in my opinion. Squall just doesn't look right. And of course I think Edea's a poor choice. But alas.

    Seymour's not exactly a hero, if that's what you're implying here. I think Seymour's more recognizable as a Final Fantasy character than Yunalesca, and if it came down to a choice between the two, I'd probably go with him, though clearly I don't think at all along the same lines as S-E, so who knows which they'd go with.
     
  16. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    I was just on Gamefaqs, and they have some decent pictures for the game. One of them reveals Gabranth's third costume which is *Guess you lazy people*Basch*So take him off the list*

    Also, here is the link. I provide you this for my own reason. On the second page, they've got somebody fighting who appears to be Kain. I want to know if anybody has any guesses on who that may be.

    Here are the individual pictures in question.

    Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy Screenshot #31 for PSP - GameFAQs

    Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy Screenshot #32 for PSP - GameFAQs
     
  17. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    ??? I think that big, bulky man is Golbez's true human form.
     
  18. Tetiro

    Tetiro New Member

    I can confirm this without source. That my friend is Golbez's real form which is shown in the FF4 sequel, The After Years.
     
  19. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    You know what? We need some more villians. Let us add in Gilgamesh and maybe Seymour or Yunalesca.
     
  20. Tetiro

    Tetiro New Member

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