The Pastor & The Burning = Peril

Now this is a debate that I really want to bring out!!!!! First of all, if all of you don't notice yet, there's this pastor of a small community church who went and said on the camera that it's time to take a stand and that he will burn the Kuran on 9/11. Now, everyone saying that it's unamerican but to me, THAT'S JUST FREAKING DISRESPECTFUL!!! HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU JUST GO ON T.V. AND WANT TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD ABOUT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO?! (Calms down) this is what I have a big problem.

1. The news says that over 200 books have been given to him from a lot of American Citizens, wanting him to burn the kuran. HELLO?! ARE YOU FREAKING BLIND?! What if half of those american citizens are muslims themselves or terrorists (NO! When i say terrorists, that means one who wants to hurt a nation severely in anyways so muslims are, in general, are not one in my opinion.) There are people watching! Testing to see what the pastor will do and see if he's really going to do what he say he would do. If you do it, YOU WILL END UP MAKING THE WHOLE COUNTRY GO IN PERIL!

2. The pastor want to say that "Jesus would really burn the kuran". but then he wants to say that "God will tell me not to burn it but he didn't so I will do it." Excuse moi? God didn't tell you to burn the kuran straight from the beginning. Not only that, you saying that Jesus would really burn the kuran is, to me, like saying that Jesus would allow the people to stone the woman.

3. Oh yea! The war suppose to be over but we still have soldiers over there. Some people are still hyped up about the mosque and now that all of the enemies hear about the man's stunt, this will end up putting the army in jeopardy, repeating step one and not ending the conclusion of the war.


those are my main three things that I wanted to say. Anyone else want to jump in? I would gladly accept it.

 

Freedom of Speech. plain and simple. The man is excercising his right as an American to freely speak and act.

Flag burning is allowed by the First Ammendment, so long as it has a viable purpose to make. What's so different about this man wanting to burn a book? Just because this is the religious book of the Islamic faith? Is that all? This man wants to burn a book, but just because of what book he wants to burn, he's being criticised.
The people who are scared of terrorist retaliation are giving up. They're letting the fear terrorist make rule them and they aren't trying to fight back.

I say he should burn the book, not for any religious reasons like 'Jesus' or 'God' but to send a message that we are America! And we won't back down from fear!

 

Um... you are not seeing the picture. most of us are not scared of terrorism but we're tired of all of this mumbo jumbo because we are having so much problems in the state. The pastor is definitely not representing of what an America truly suppose to be and regardless of freedom of speech, do you truly think that you have the freedom to actually do something regardless of the consequences?

 

by the first ammendment right of free speech, we are as citezens of this great country; allowed to say what we wish so long as it does not disrupt or endanger a persons life(such as yelling FIRE! in a crowed movie theater. that's still a no) this freedom also applies to symbolic word such as flag burning, wearing a cross or relgious item in a goverment facility, or by our simple right to flip someone the bird.

why is him burning a religious book so bad now? when all our laws pretty much say we can't stop him from doing so?

 

YELLO!!!! YOU GAVE OUT SOMETHING! ENDAGERING LIVES!! ENDANGERING SOLDIERS LIVES!! NO DUH! Be careful what you say because "The walls have ears". Ever heard of a statement like that or similar? Because of him even speaking that out on T.V., there are some who will just try to send information to the Iraqian government and then try to use that to have all the more reasons to just make the war continue. A lot of states are in debt and some people are saying that some things are not done in the economy and the country need to be fixed first.

 

the thing is, this usually doesn't apply to military situations. considering they put their lives at risk everyday already, this won't be adding much to anything.

 

if I threw in the part where it adds in a most likely attempted attack on the United States or any group, then it will cauase a great deal of pain.

 

the thing you're not getting is our own laws PROTECT this guys right to do this. we can't stop him because he's not just burning the books to watch a fire and roast smores, he has a reason behind it. as flawed as his reasoning is, it's still a viable reason and we can't do anything about it.


and i still stand by what i said up top.

 

And I'm still standing by what I'm saying all the way. he's representing the christian community and right now, it's like an arrow that just stun an individual so hard that it's so hard to react with words immediately. Regardless of what rights and laws that can protect the pastor, it doesn't mean that what he's doing is right itself. -__- Would be like a repeat of this clip where this man burned the islamic rug except worser.

 

Some of us already looking bad and feel bad because if one person doing something wrong, it ends up making otehrs try to stereotype a group as something that they're not. Oh yea. Media giving attention to it msotly because some people are interested in what others have to say (considering in what the news reporters will have their opinions anyways.)

I'm not saying that the freedom of speech and rights to stop. What I'm saying is that people should be cautious as to when and where they want to use those rights when it ends up coming to the political sense. And yes, terrorists can try to find another reason to launch attacks since they are "trained" in war.

Yep. Like I stated in a couple of my posts. When one individual mess up, the whole group will end up getting judged as something that they're not. And I definitely agree that his action can make others turn away from Christianity. "battle is not yours. It's God." Ding ding ding and all that jazz. If the church is not behind him, then they definitely know that what he's doing is right; people are trying to persuade him to not do this kind of action.

 

persuade yes, but in the end stopping him would violate his rights and is against the law. the only legal way this won't happen is if he backs down himself, which i must say would be a disappointment in my opinion. to stir up so much controversy but then not go through with it makes causing the whole arguement seem so pointless and time-wasting.

i actually want him to burn the books.


EDIT:
ah damn it. he backed down.
Decision to suspend Quran-burning met with relief - Yahoo! News

went to check my e-mail and saw this.

EDIT X2:
after reading the article it's easy to see he gave into fear. while it was controversial and most of america didn't agree with it, by our own laws we would've protected his right to do it. but instead he gives into the fear that's caused by terrorists and extremists.


such a shame.

 

Bingo. It would be a worse thing to prevent him from doing this.

Yeah, because enemies in the Middle East don't already have a reason to attack our soldiers

No he's not.

Because they have nothing better to do.

And of course that in itself would need to be talked about in more depth. One person's actions does not represent their religion as a whole. Muslim terrorists don't represent all of Islam.

Really? I thought he just suspended it. He seems to be on the fence about it/

As some unintentional irony, this situation reminds me of the South Park 2 part episode making fun of Family Guy.

Whether it does or doesn't, people will see what they want to see. And that means some will want to see one man's actions = Entire nation's beliefs.

 

YAY YAY YAY!! Sorry that some of you don't want to agree with me but I'm glad that he didn't burn the books.

Anyways, I said that he needs to represent what the christian community truly behave but what his actions were doing were representing the christian community as something that they're not. I don't know how clearer I can be on that Zerieth but I don't know why you said that he's not representing the christian community.

 

I said that he wasn't representing the Christian community, not Zerieth. And I say that because his actions do not speak for all Christians. I, being Catholic (Don't argue about whether or not Catholicism is Christian, it is), would not do what he said he'd do unless I had a very personal reason. And even then, I wouldn't be speaking out for my community. I would be speaking out for myself.

 

whoops. I meant to say you but his name just popped up in my head and I wasn't thinking.

 

Ah the mosque. Why this is really happening. How has that NOT come up in this thread yet? Alright, point of view time:

One: The media always goes and does stupid things. they apparently thought that Obama not wearing his wedding ring one time was news.

Two: If the Mosque has gone through all the legal venues and gotten the proper permits and whatnot, then it should be allowed in its place like ANY OTHER BUILDING.

Three: The pastor is a moron. Personally, I am against book-burning in general. I believe that actually demotes the right to free speech. After all, what is book burning but the destruction of ideas.

Four: The odds of a more radical uprising (For lack of a better word) in the middle east is made more likely if the pastor burns the books. If somebody burned a ton of the bible, the Huttery or whatever it was called probably would have been all over it.

Five: If he really supported America and what it 'stands for', then (given my previous points) he should backdown. It would cause almost irreversible damage to this country and its people.