How to fix a broken World

You are naive if you think it will just take that. To fix society would require a incredible change in every single persons thinking. It won't be done with just 1 big thing, but lots of big things building off each other. When you do stuff like that you walk a fine line between success and disaster. Besides, if you want to make society better you will have to remove the one right that makes the USA what it is, and that's freedom. Freedom to choose, because our choices are what make society today. We can choose to learn from mistakes or not to learn from mistakes, but it is no one else's right to force that person to choose either one. They do it for themselves, and live with the consequences.

 

That is more of a socialist idea, and i agree with it for the most part. But if somethign like that were to happen, and the poor spent their money on drugs and alcohol and became poor again, where is the gain? It wouldn't neccesarily fix things...per say.

The most civil thing in the world is freedom. Choice is what makes human beings. We can not blame choices that have been made on the ideal of freedom, but on the people choosing "wrong" choices. Thats were law comes in. There are ways to work around society to improve it and influence it, without taking away freedom. Like there are ways in chess on how to capture the king without confronting the opponents queen.

 

-___- Freedom? There won't be any freedom. You still can't say whatever you want to say in a society. You won't be free to have any job that you would like to have in a society and you still won't be free to have every single ideas that you have to be accepted because of ignorant people or people who don't think that it will work.

 

There are many problems with the world. The reason why is that many people have different opinions. Those opinions conflict with someone else's and that causes instability. There are people who believe in Global Warming and there are people who don't give a crap and believe that's bogus. There are many religions and the Middle East hates the West for it's views. That's why America's at war with the Taliban. There was an English Civil War MANY years ago because of Catholic and Protestant views. It is still going on in Ireland. We have the jobs issue where people would lose their jobs if we change to renewable sources rather than oil. Oil is a major resource of money for many countries such as Saudi Arabia and America itself. We are living in a time of greed and industrialism and without giving that up, we cannot change anything.

 

That's the main problem, conflicting views. That and the fact that we can not seem to come up with a good way to express those views to others without sparking fights. How ever, just having a different view doesn't mean that we will all hate each other. Look at us, quietly debating, or debating excitedly with smilies in summoners case jk, and we haven't started a war.

 

For one -
People need to get up off of their behinds and get jobs. Then while they're in those jobs, they need to make goals and stay consistent. Then after that, they can hopefully move into actual careers.

I think that Capitalism needs to lose about 150lbs to make room for Socialism in its stomach.

 

Thats a.... very colorful way of putting it i guess.

The big thing is that while we might eventually get some socialism in our nation, and yes we will all have jobs, that still leaves the conflicting points of view. Some people like to cause trouble, and they like the feeling of being punished. It's just the way of the world. If you ask me, the one thing that will fix the world for sure, is for the human race to cease to exist. Earth was fine, if not perfect, without us. While it may be scarred now those scars will eventually fade away, and everything will return to what it was.

 

Oh wow. I bet one of my friends would love to have a job and to stay consistently. Seriously, there are lazy people and there will still be people getting fired or laid off. If you try ot have everyone get a job, you better bet that they will start slacking.

 

I have to disagree with that. Socialism will not help fix anything. To fix the world, you need to change people's mindset. People need to be willing to work harder and not be lazy. If anything, we need a form of government where the government requires people to help themselves. Obviously, it can't be taken to the extreme, like what there was in the 1900's with absolutely no regulation and things were filthy. There needs to be a balance.

 

^That's the thing though, American society has a lot of different parts that are thrown into the machine of making things 'equal for all' that ultimately prevents some groups of people from moving forward simply because of their class, race, gender, sexuality and so on. I think that if everyone's given the same shot at a job instead of picking out 'favorites', things would be much better. It doesn't make people lazy, it actually helps spark more competition if people are given a fair fight instead of the ring owners choosing an early favorite and the competitor is forced to submit because of it.

But most Americans are far too narrow minded to accept anything that radical easily -
If we're going to remain stagnant and stick with capitalism, then we can at least have damn good education, health care, and plenty of jobs for everyone without any strings attached.

 

I think that too (Probably said it in the Racism thread). People should get a job if they are more qualified than the others who are trying to get it. My main issues with Socialism are with things like people getting same pay for different jobs that don't deserve equal pay (Probably more apparent in Communism than Socialism) and how people can have their jobs protected when they shouldn't be (Main example for that is Labor Unions and how they protect those who shouldn't be protected. Like the lazy worker or the really bad teacher, etc.)

 

Well duh. When you have a person who have power, they can do anything. The goverment in the USA have power as to how the laws work and the states have their own individual laws as to how things should work so we're under their rule.

 

opinions clash. We see that in the threads sometimes. Most of us disagree and will keep our cool, but every once in a while you get a hot head that wont shut up and cool down. I myself have been that way, it's something everyone with a strong opinion has to work on. But as long as they are learning, and the other person that they are getting mad at does not react in turn with anger, and keeps their cool, than most conflicts over opinion can in fact be kept to a minimal issue.
As for the oil thing, we'd need something just as good as oil if not better. That would mean a complete restructure of many countries societies, and how these societies are centered. It would change every aspect of life. Becuz until we find something better, there is no way in hell oil is going anywhere. Unless we just run out, haha.

I agree with your first statement, but the last line yah loose me Autopsy. When YOU GET a job, you appreciate that job and the money flow that is coming to you. It's like a treasure, something (especially now-a-days) that is hard to find. And I mean a good job, but this can even be applied to smaller jobs, like working at walmart. But if the government hands u a job, how r u going to treat it? I mean really, maybe none of us understand because we have computers and probably come from pretty good families (althought everyone has their troubles), and we dont understand wat its like not having a job and living on the street. But if that person who's grown up in this life of survival is just "givin" a job, they will not appreciate it. Because THEY didn't work hard to get it. Sure if we instituted all of these socialist programs ther'd be a small period of time where everything would be nicy nice and everything will be "equal", but then trouble starts, people start bumping heads, get greedy, and want more money or a different job. There are always cracks in any system, especially if its new. And then wat would the government do Autopsy? They'd create new plans of "peace and equality". And then sure, everything would be nicy nice, but not for long as last time. And then ther'd be even more chaos. Riots. Murder. Your basic social unrest. Now some would look at this cycle and say "This is what is needed for peace and equality", but if you ask me, I don't like it. And the biggest part of it all is that it would be run by the government. They are the ones who make the rules and enforce them right? They monitor us and make sure no one exceeds that "equality". But who do we have to monitor them? The people? No. Please, the parent is never monitored by the child. The government can create all the equality it wants, but who is to stop them from getting paid more than us? Who's there to say that the government is growing to strong or exceeding boundaries? That is the biggest problem with socialism/communism/fascism. Becuz as principles they different, but when practiced they are the same. They are as different as 2=4/2=100/50.

very interesting...but i'd say it is life in general. Life consumes. The trick is keeping the cycle going of giving back.

I'ma have to disagree with you on a few things (of course). I think a lot of biest things are more of a miniscuel problem than a major problem. I think that is were the government needs to work more like a company, and come in and say "this is bad, dont do this", punish the person who is biest, and then have no more affiliation unless the biest returns. Thats my view on it.
And great education/health care/and jobs for everyone is going to cost a lot of tax dollars. I'm not entirely oppossed to it, but we'd need to cut down our military spending a lot. I am a big believer in tax dollars being wasted on government officials and military. Thats why I consider myself more of a conservative liberitarian. I think that liberals just demanding all of these things for everyone is just purely NOT LOGICAL, simply because we have NO money, and what we DO have is a LOT OF DEBT!!! If we want to make socialist ideals a reality, we need to cut spending (especially ridiculous military spending. WE ARE IN OVER 100 COUNTRIES THAT WE DONT NEED TO BE IN!!!! WE ARE IN TONS OF CONTRACTS THAT HAVE MADE US THE POLICE OF THE WORLD. We need to end thoe too and just worry about ourselves and bettering society) and save up money.

 

Mhm. It all started in WW1 when we got involved in Europe's bizz and we officially became their lap dogs. Then again in WW2. We caused Japan attacking us becu we threatened to attack them if they attacked Southeastern Asia European settlements in their conquest. ANd of course with Germany, why the hell did we help Britain? We escaped from Britain in the Revolution only to go back to being friends with them? Uuuuuhhhhhhhh, am i the only person who see's a problem?! lol. And now we r so stuck in the middle of things it will take years to get out "clean". Its terrible. And all our government wants to do is make things worse.

 

every powerful country is in on it. Think about it. All these silly little wars, always fighting another big power country through a smaller country. It just doesnt make sense. How we get done with fighting Hitler and then try to stop the spread of communism, but in the process slowly become a fascist country ourselves. Everything is linked. Vietnam War was to make us trust the media. IRaq War was to take away our privacy. Slowly but surely, war by war, we will lose everything. They are taking control. Who is they? You know who they are. They are the same peolpe George Orwell warned us about in his book "1984". "They" are Big Brother. "They" are the English Royal Bloodline. They are a bloodline that runs deep through out history, always in power, always running things. And now they've become so powerful that only a higher intelligence could ever hope to defeat them. But maybe it is this "they" that are scared of this higher power that they've made us cling to one another so tight that we have to obey them no matter wat. Just thinking out loud.

 

Could you PM me a more detailed explanation about the things in bold?

And with the so pwerful only a higher intelligence could defeat them thing, I suppose you could debate on whether or not that is true. For instance, I've kinda considered that the one unnoticeable spark of hope in 1984 is that the Big Brother government cannot remain in power forever. I can't properly argue that though, since 1984 doesn't reveal any sort of information that would prove me right.

 

mhm, true. And i have to get off the computer, so just PM me a message on things you want me to explain. I'll respond next time i'm on the comp.
But as far as the higher intelligence thing, I was just throughing out a possibility, not something i really believe in. But its possible that a war between higher intelligences is going on. Much like the Cold War, or it could've caused the Cold War. But we'll never know for many years i guess.