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A different look at Xemnas (Spoilers will be shown)

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts 2' started by dualblade, Feb 26, 2010.

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  1. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    If this is supposed to be in theories could someone move it there?I wasnt sure so I put it here.

    Alright,so we all know what Xemnas was doing in KH II.THose who have played/spoiled themselves on BBS also know that Xehanort released his heart and used it to take over Terra.Now then,that leaves something very interesting.While Xehanort is in control,Terra is trying to resist (And possible Eraqus who is also hinted as being within Terra),when Xehanort and the other apprentinces go to much into the dark,they lose their hearts.Which means Xemnas isnt really Xehanort's Nobody: He is TERRA'S nobody! He uses Terra's body and soul,not Xehanorts.So why would he be evil?

    Well,maybe he isnt.Maybe Terra managed to sabotage Xehanort's experiments from within,which fed up his plans further then him just losing his memories,though also may have moved them forward.Regaining his memories,he started looking for his heart,his true heart.The reason he calls Aqua's armor friend is just that,Aqua was Terra's friend

    Now,eventually the goal may have corrupted.Maybe Nobodies,with emotions,just have an easier time being evil.Or maybe Xehanort's memories,and possibly Eraqus's memories,were also coming back,slowing turning Xemans into a controlled insane person.Or maybe he wanted to die,and what better way then to have what may be the greatest keyblade wielder come after you to take you down?
     
  2. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

    not a bad theory really. however, when Xehanort lost his memories after his fight, he developed himself a new personality. becoming a Nobody didn't give him back his memories, he still only remembered things from his new life. so calling Aqua's armor 'friend' might have been a small lingering memory of Terra but he was still Xehanort in mind and thought.
     
  3. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    I guess you didn't play birth by sleep..
     
  4. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    That bit confused me. Why did it show Terra and Ventus at the Land of Departure? Especially since it was shown during Aqua's talk with Ansem, the Land of Departure was Castle Oblivion and Ven is comatose.
     
  5. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    ...you do relize you dont say if you like or dislike the theory x3pic.If you are using the concious part as your argument against,then it says that it wat that which powered his armor,but that it also remains with him battling Xehanort.Course,i dont know what you are saying,you just put a long summary of the enidng without saying anything else.
     
  6. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.


    Well that statment sorta proved you wrong..You didn't know what entirely happened. So before you make a theory like this know the entire situation, meaning play/beat or at least read up on the game as I have.
    As for your theory all you said was some nonsense about Xehnorts heartless really being Terra's Heartless..Well no, its Terra's body, true, but Terra's body with No memories of anything, and terra's body was then renamed Xehanort. So if you want to get technical i guess you can call it "terra's heartless" but the reason its evil is because Terra's body had Xehanorts heart, and Xehanorts Mind. And the body wasn't named terra, it was named Xehanort by Ansem the Wise. Who found "young Xehanort" as he noted in his Secret Report. Then AtW took Young Xehanort as his apprentice, along side other apprentices. This is when AtW and his apprentices started studying about the heart. AtW then believed that his and his apprentices studies were a threat to his world (raident garden), so he stopped them, as well as ordered his apprentices to stop. But his foremost student, Xehanort, didn't want to stop, he continued with the studies on the heart, and some how got the other apprentices to continue alongside him. Soon all the apprentices, Including Xehanort were consumed by darkness, and sent their teacher AtW to darkness, where AtW then plotted his revenge on his apprentices as the mastermind, DiZ. Soon, with their darkness AtW's apprentices fell so deep into darkness, that they were all turned into heartless. blah blah blah blah i could go on for a while

    but i will give you this, for not knowing the full situation, it was a rather good theory
     
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  7. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    When the hell did I say that the heartless was Terra's?That I still believe to be Xehanort: His heart,not Terra's.I said the Nobody Xemnas,not the heartless that called himself Ansem but was really Xehanorts. The soul and body make the nobody,as long as there are no hearts within it.Xemnas's body and soul are Terra's,which is where I got this theory from.

    Also,I did read up on it.I may not have known everything,but I do know a good bit of what goes on in BBS,and I already knew about the whole deal with the apprentices,you dident have to go on that tangent.Also,he was called Xehanort when he lost his memory because that was all he could remember,not because Ansem called him that.Plus the name doesnt have to be completly involved,being that Xemnas is an anagram of Ansem's name,not Xehanorts.Though I am sure you knew that already.
     
  8. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    My mistake it you said this:
    though this still means it would be both Terra's heartless and nobody, if you believe its terra's nobody, you also have to believe its terra's heartless.

    Yes, but its not Terra's its Xehenorts. how is it? because it may have been Terra's body, but as of the memory loss its Xehanorts body. Not terra's anymore.
    Also i'll repeat this, Xehanort lost his heart, creating a Heartless <--, of that heartless came out Xehanorts Nobody, they both belon to Xehanort

    Either you stopped in the middle, or you didn't fully grasp it. Like i said you didn't really know the whole situation, or you wouldn't made a theory like this, though its not a horrible theory. Its good and i appreciate it, because its a theory with thought in it

    Yea, i know but, Ansem said "we will call him Xehanort",<-- not exact translation, even though thats all he could say, Ansem found him and named him that basically. thats the only reason i said that.
    Xemnas has been confirmed to be xehanorts heartless. Why his name is splled out Ansem we don't know yet, its still a mystery
     
  9. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Isn't it for the same reason that Xehanort's heartless called himself Ansem? I think that he did it out of hatred for Ansem. What better way to deface your teacher's name than to parade around as him doing bad things?
     
  10. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    I thought that as well DW.Or atleast something similar.Always thought it was a way to damage Ansem in any way possible,even though he was in the Realm of Darkness,probably incase he got out.Which worked,he had to go undercover as DiZ instead of being Ansem,making it harder to work against the Organization.
     
  11. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Thats what i was thinking.
    and yes this makes sense, but idk its not confirmed, because Xehanort would have to be going by Ansem before he lost his heart.
     
  12. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    Well,he sort of was with the Ansem reports,being that only the first one was writen by Ansem himself.2-12 were writen by Xehanort using Ansem's name,and 13 was writen by Xemnas (or was it 12 and 13 for Xemnas?)

    So he had already started,turning into a Heartless happened after he and the apprentinces banished Ansem,allowing him to take the name in full,and Xemnas probably took it in order to protect his identity even further when he was finally revealed to the main heroes.
     
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