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Evolution

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Moogle, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    Considering that there have been two topics in this area long since dead, and I didn't want to make a completely bad impression on the newbs, I have decided to open this debate on evolution.

    Yeah, so, do you believe in it and why?

    I don't feel like stating my (obvious) opinion at the moment.
     
  2. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

    this is my opinion: if you don't believe in evolution then you are a moron.

    there is so much evidence to prove evolution, plus an actual expeirament has been conducted on bacteria that has CONFIRMED it. so if you still don't believe then you are a moron.
     
  3. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    The debate about evolution is not about it exsisting. It is more about the origin of humanity. Because people seem to think that it conflict with religion, which in actuality it does not.
     
  4. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    My thing is that evolution is real, and i believe in it too. Also i think god did it maybe tryed to make humans, but messed up and apes and monkeys came to be, kinda like that, then he let science take over for us and left us alone to evolve, maybe i dont know but that's what i think.
     
  5. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

    Evolution does not explain the origin of life, it explains what happened after life came about. if people think evolution deals with the origin of life then they are morons.

    i rest my case
     
  6. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    You prove your case so well!

    /sarcasm

    And evolution does conflict with certain religions, such as Christianity. Creationism and all that.


    And AM, how can you believe in evolution when at the same time, you say that 'god just messed up and created apes and monkeys'? A perfect god doesn't make mistakes blah-de-blah.
     
  7. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Can you prove it? I've thought about it alot, and I can see how it doesn't conflict with Christianity.
     
  8. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

    24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

    26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.

    28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

    29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

    31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.






    Directly quoted from the New International version. It distinctly says that humans were just created - MEANING they did NOT come from a prior generation of beings.
     
  9. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    That's simple. God created everything. And from there, evolution takes place. No conflict.
     
  10. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

    no, it says god created humans. meaning they started as humans, no evolution. evolution contradicts a lot of religions.
     
  11. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Nonononononononono. Evolution still goes on through humans. What you said does not mean that there is no evolution. After all, everything needs a starting point.
     
  12. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

    humans haven't really evolved, we've just gotten smarter.
     
  13. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    *Facepalm*

    26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.

    It quite clearly states that god just created man. Not "God created something and then it became man"


    And humans have evolved - but only slightly. I.E. The mountain-dwelling people that live in South America (Or somewhere that isn't Mexico or above - I forget exactly where) have specially adapted lungs that enable them to survive with the thinner air.
     
  14. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    -____- Just be quiet Shad. Seriously. I don't believe in evolution but not because of religious reasons. I never seen a monkey turn into a human, see a monkey speak our language, see fishes turn into squirrels or what not, and not only that, the whole human race would be in my opinion five times larger if humans has evolved from apes.

    Not only that, God created the birds, creepy crawlies and those that dwells in the ocean but for the human race itself, he first created humankind in his image first on the sixth day. After that, he then took the dust of the ground and breathed in life in him and called him man.

    Edit: Also, don't call people morons or idiots Shad. We can call you one for just saying that without even having any proof. I'm upset by this.
     
  15. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

    so you want proof? fine, here's something about the evidence i mentioned in my first post. about how evolution was proven.
    and of course you wouldn't see evolution of monkeys to humans because A) it was an extinct species of ape that evolved into primitive humans and B) the situation is different. the wild does not provide the need for apes to evolve into humans.

    so now that you can see proof, i have the right to call you a moron if you still think evolution is fake.
     
  16. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    *Whistles* Please show me the link of this. I'm still not buying it. If you can't show me the link, then I'm believing that you're just making this up. Not only that, the group might end up turning into something different but that does not means that the group will end up turning into humans. Still not buying it so you still can't call no one a moron regardless.:p
     
  17. GrandShadow

    GrandShadow I accept your challange.

  18. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    XD HAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHA!!! I still laugh at you!!! COME ON!!! Still not enough evidence to me!!! Not only that, humans still didn't evolve from monkeys, animals or the likes! Yes, I believe that as we grow older, our cells keeps on splitting and make more cells and our bones grow stronger and all but there's no way that we actually came from those animals or he likes based on certain reasons and flawbacks on this theory. As for the citric part, it has something to do with fruits, vegetables and soft drinks so there's no way that E. Coli can do that since E. Coli itself cannot bring in sour tasteness in anything and that it can be a harmful or harmless bacteria, depending on the situation. Humans themselves in my opinion, don't have citric acids in them and there's nothing based on my research that says that human has citric acid in them so you might as well cross out the part where humans can evolve because of citric. E. Coli may end up evolving organisms from the ice age SHAD!!! WHY YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT?!! You also stated that they were freezing their samples and don't say you didn't or that the people who made that link themselves said that because right now, I'm reading it and since they were freezing and unfreezing samples, I believe that they are seeing cells of extinct animals that have no connections to the humans whatsoever in the past way way back.

    We can keep going back and forth and I had already have my back up evidence already to show that humans did not evolve and unless the whole science team pops up with a recording tape that shows a cell of a different species evolving into a human or whatever the case may be, I will keep on expressing my opinion. Unlike you, I don't call people morons when they have their own opinions and to me, it is unnecessary to even call people negative names when this is nothing but a debate that shows what our opinions are so don't call people morons when it can come right back at you.
     
  19. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Common misconception #1 about Evolution: The belief that humans evolved from monkeys. Personally, I want to take a 2x4 and break it while hitting people's heads who think this. Of course humans didn't evolve from monkeys. If we did, then there wouldn't be monkeys anymore (That's debatable, but I read it in an email saying funny things, so I figured I'd use it). Humans and monkeys share a common ancestor. Some group of that ancestor evolved into humans. Other groups evolved into primates.

    That has nothing to do with evolution. Except for genetic mutations. But those tend to cause cancer.

    Oh damn do you know anything about evolution? To simply state it, evolution is the changing of genes in a species to create new and better species.

    A child's DNA is composed of a combination of their parents. In nature, those with genes that allow them to survive have a better chance of passing their genes to their offspring. And as those genes are passed, they have a chance to mutate and become better. And the genes that do not increase chances of survival have higher chances to die off, eliminating those genes. It is called Natural Selection.

    Evolution is not always a physical change. Perhaps X-Men is a perfect example. The mutants in X-Men are humans that have evolved to have super powers.

    Like I just said above. Evolution is not always a physical change. And do you know what Adam and Eve looked like? How can you prove that Adam and Eve looked like modern-day humans. Maybe they looked like us, and humanity hasn't undergone a single physical change in all of human history. Maybe they didn't look like us.
     
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2010
  20. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Yes, they may share a common ancestor which I may or may not agree and I do agree about the child inheriting genes from their parents but I'm talking about the differences between E. Coli and citric acid and E. Coli can be harmful since it can be a disease, which is why I brought up saying depending on the situation because E. Coli can have it's benefits. I also state about what citric acid contains too. As for trying to make humans became something stronger or better, it will be a first if I see that but I'm explaining as to how humans did not evolve from something that I was bringing up. ??? Wait a minute... I forgot all about that tree man so that's actually not a first for me.

    If they want to try to make humans change into something, let them try but trying to actually say that humans came from something or evolve into something is what will bother me a lot. Whoo hoo! I would to grow some wings and claws!:rolleyes:
     

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