Religion

??? I said that their art is real interesting. I do find them weird, but it's interesting. I'm not mocking their religion. Plus, I'm getting annoyed by Avalantos & Kex arguing back & forth with Noz in the middle about Christianity. Seriously, people want to say that Jesus is a fake. Then people starts to hate others & think that they will "GO TO HELL!" Then they start pointing out errors in other religion & what they think is false. To me, I say that someone's mind is twisted. I find Christianity more than a religion in my opinion. I find it a relationship with God.

 

I agree completely with summonerBWM, you basicly just backed up what i've been trying to say. Lol I forgot my nickname was Kex ^^

 

It is depressing. To not have faith in anything, thats horrible.

 

Sorry, but as I was reading their posts, all I hear is this: "Bla bla bla bla. GTFO!! Blla bla bleh bla bla bla." Sorry, but that's what it means with "goes in one ear & out the other". Sorry for acting this way. I have my time to go crazy & go crazy. Also, saying that their arts are weird doesn't mean that I'm mocking them. When I see their arts, it's almost like going to an art museum, but it still shows history in it or shows something of more significance. Well, that's what I see in Hinduism paintings & designs anyways. Since me saying weird makes you think I'm mocking, let's use unusual in place of that.

Edit: I still want to stay in this debate & others. I'm just in a state where I just don't get a care & act like a (you know. Donkey. Can't say it.). Sorry for acting like this & saying that I'm annoyed.

 

this is the definition and history of nihilism is anyone was wondering, thought it would help.
here's the link. What is Nihilism? Nihilism, Nihilists, and Nihilistic Philosophy

1.Nihilism basically asserts that there is no objective purpose or truth that can ever be discovered or learned. It denies any basis for morals or spirituality, as these are just human creations designed to make us comfortable and ease our minds about being alone within our own minds and bodies, forever separate from others.

he term nihilism comes from the Latin word 'nihil' which literally means "nothing." Many believe that it was originally coined by Russian novelist Ivan Turgenev in his novel Fathers and Sons (1862) when in fact it probably first appeared several decades earlier. Nevertheless, Turgenev's use of the word to describe the views he attributed to young intellectual critics of feudal society generally and the Tsarist regime in particular is what gave the word widespread popularity.

This usage came at a fortuitous time because there was a burgeoning radical movement that seem to fit that term quite well — at least as far as conservatives were concerned. They were perhaps the first to latch onto the word, using it as a slur to describe a generation that was in revolt against established social norms. These youth themselves were not eager to adopt the term, but it eventually came into general usage.

This Russian Nihilism would have seemed very familiar to anyone who lived through the 1960s in America. It was largely a youth movement comprised of a new intellectual class that was growing rapidly due to increased attendance at schools by commoners, increased wealth in the middle class, and the development of independent presses.

The result was a "culture war" with an older generation that felt a stronger allegiance to traditional norms, traditional religion, and traditional morality. Against these "Fathers" were arrayed the "Sons," children who no longer believed in the ideals of their elders, were disillusioned at the hypocrisy around them, and feared that any attempt to improve things would only be in vain.

As one might expect, the more the young Russian Nihilists were pushed into conforming to tradition, the more they pushed back — acting out in crude or vulgar ways, expressing contempt for traditional values, opposing religious authority, etc. Some attempted to change society through political action, but most were disillusioned with politics and "dropped out," preferring instead to seek greater personal development through a complete break with the past. It was these latter individuals who perhaps most merit the label Nihilists — apolitical youth who shared much in common with Turgenev's character Bazarov.

Ultimately, Russian Nihilism didn't accomplish much itself — it certainly didn't produce general cultural and political changes anywhere close to what was created by the 1960s youth movements in America and Europe. The problem, it seems, is that the radical cultural and political critiques were not well-balanced by an equally strong program of alternatives. Basically, the Nihilists had little or nothing to offer in exchange for what they hoped to tear down. Some certainly tried, but there just weren't enough to effectively strengthen the movement.

This is not to say, however, that Russian Nihilism left no mark whatsoever. Its emphasis on materialism as opposed to idealism probably helped pave the way for the later ascendancy of communism. It is also reasonable to conclude that the critiques of traditional culture helped Russians to shed past prejudices and assumptions, even if they didn't embrace the Nihilist philosophy entirely.

i think that this nihilism, is just like a super form of atheism, and before someone says it's not, this is a religion as well because it's a belief in nothing at all, they might not have and thing like church or nothing but still a religion.

 

this is the definition and history of nihilism is anyone was wondering, thought it would help.
here's the link. What is Nihilism? Nihilism, Nihilists, and Nihilistic Philosophy

1.Nihilism basically asserts that there is no objective purpose or truth that can ever be discovered or learned. It denies any basis for morals or spirituality, as these are just human creations designed to make us comfortable and ease our minds about being alone within our own minds and bodies, forever separate from others.

he term nihilism comes from the Latin word 'nihil' which literally means "nothing." Many believe that it was originally coined by Russian novelist Ivan Turgenev in his novel Fathers and Sons (1862) when in fact it probably first appeared several decades earlier. Nevertheless, Turgenev's use of the word to describe the views he attributed to young intellectual critics of feudal society generally and the Tsarist regime in particular is what gave the word widespread popularity.

This usage came at a fortuitous time because there was a burgeoning radical movement that seem to fit that term quite well — at least as far as conservatives were concerned. They were perhaps the first to latch onto the word, using it as a slur to describe a generation that was in revolt against established social norms. These youth themselves were not eager to adopt the term, but it eventually came into general usage.

This Russian Nihilism would have seemed very familiar to anyone who lived through the 1960s in America. It was largely a youth movement comprised of a new intellectual class that was growing rapidly due to increased attendance at schools by commoners, increased wealth in the middle class, and the development of independent presses.

The result was a "culture war" with an older generation that felt a stronger allegiance to traditional norms, traditional religion, and traditional morality. Against these "Fathers" were arrayed the "Sons," children who no longer believed in the ideals of their elders, were disillusioned at the hypocrisy around them, and feared that any attempt to improve things would only be in vain.

As one might expect, the more the young Russian Nihilists were pushed into conforming to tradition, the more they pushed back — acting out in crude or vulgar ways, expressing contempt for traditional values, opposing religious authority, etc. Some attempted to change society through political action, but most were disillusioned with politics and "dropped out," preferring instead to seek greater personal development through a complete break with the past. It was these latter individuals who perhaps most merit the label Nihilists — apolitical youth who shared much in common with Turgenev's character Bazarov.

Ultimately, Russian Nihilism didn't accomplish much itself — it certainly didn't produce general cultural and political changes anywhere close to what was created by the 1960s youth movements in America and Europe. The problem, it seems, is that the radical cultural and political critiques were not well-balanced by an equally strong program of alternatives. Basically, the Nihilists had little or nothing to offer in exchange for what they hoped to tear down. Some certainly tried, but there just weren't enough to effectively strengthen the movement.

This is not to say, however, that Russian Nihilism left no mark whatsoever. Its emphasis on materialism as opposed to idealism probably helped pave the way for the later ascendancy of communism. It is also reasonable to conclude that the critiques of traditional culture helped Russians to shed past prejudices and assumptions, even if they didn't embrace the Nihilist philosophy entirely.

i think that this nihilism, is just like a super form of atheism, and before someone says it's not, this is a religion as well because it's a belief in nothing at all, they might not have and thing like church or nothing but still a religion.

 

You're on the right track AM. It is a super form of Atheism. No, its more horrible then that. A life living while not believing in anything, that is a life not worth living. God does not want us to live a life where we don't believe in anything. Its just too depressing to even think about.

 

The first half of that post is an opinion and you know it. And if you don't believe in anything, then there is no God to not want you to do anything. Plus, who are you to know His/Her/It's motives?

 

Well I don't really know but do you really want to live a life like that Moog? Do you? Well I don't. SO I guessed God doesn't want us to either.

 

yes, it is.

I think in ways they are similiar, and in ways they are different. Nihilism is directed towards the meaning of life, Atheism is directed towards belief in a god or spupreme being. Some people, especialyy new-age groups, want to see god and life as the same thing. But they ARE different, they are about two different things, they are both disbeliefs and that is what gets people confused.

lmao

haha, The Brats v.s the Fascists. The battle of our times. Some would say they are one in the same tho, haha. I think a lot of that is opinion ANswer Man. I can tell you got that from some internet source, a copy and paste thing (was it copied from the link you gave?).
I dont agree with some of it, but it does show what nihilism is.
But nihilism and atheism are 2 seperate things. Nihilism isn't extreme athiesm per say, but i know what you mean when you say it.

 

Can I ask if u r an Athiest, I just want to make that clear for myself, sorry if u already said you were or wern't, I just want to clarify, and if you are, can I ask why?

I agree that a nihilist would have a very unique tae on life and the world, but probably a more egotistical and selfish one. Not saying that nihilists are selfish and egotistical, but apply logic, if they dont have a reason to live they are either suicidal or they believe the only reason to live is for themselves. So I'd think they are either emo or egotistical, dont you?

As for Knight assuming "god's will", i think you know what he meant (meaning Christianity's belief in god's will).

 

I've done it again. Sorry Toph. I wish that would stop happening. Well anyway your game is over and I think we should get off the topic of Nihilism. How about we move on another topic? How about the book Divine Comedy? That has religion in it.