Existence Debate

Yes, a god does exsist. An all-powerful, all-knowing god that is everywhere at once does exsist. Does a supreme being have to show himself to us? No. An all-powerful being can clearly hide himself from us. And if you're gonna ask why he'd hide, lemme ask you this: Why should he reveal himself to us? He's superior. We're inferior. Simple logic.

And with the Big Bang. The theory of the Big Bang is that a small little speck that contained all of space and time suddenly exploded.

Now, surely you see the shortcomings of that theory.

1. It could not have contained all of space and time because if it was a tiny speck, what was outside of it? And how long had it been around before it exploded?

2. If it had been around for a long time and then suddenly exploded, why would it have exploded. If it had theoretically stayed a speck for an infinite amount of time, why would it suddenly explode? There were no atoms or anything in the speck to cause it to explode.

If the speck truly exsisted, then some kind of god would have had to be the one to explode it.

 

The speck's explosion in the Big Bang theory had created atoms and matter. So based on that, the speck could not possibly have any sort of composition that would cause it to deteriorate. The speck could not possibly have the same composition of degrade able chemicals simply because the atoms that the chemicals are composed of would not have existed.

And the speck would have to have suddenly exploded at some random time, after having been a speck for an infinite amount of time before the explosion. And if something is going to be stable for that long, it's gonna stay stable until some outer force disrupts it.

The only way it would have become unstable by it's own accord would require it to have some sort of half-life. But that would imply that the speck would need a starting time. And because time is infinite, there cannot be a beginning to time.

The only way that would give the speck a half-life is if there were some kind of particles already made to form the speck. Which of course goes against the Big Bang theory because the Big Bang was supposed to create all matter that exists.

A more likely theory would be that the Universe is going through a cycle of expanding and shrinking. And when all matter in the Universe collides into each other (I believe scientists call it the Big Crunch), a massive explosion is caused that restarts the cycle.

Why is proof needed? I notice plenty of Atheists say something along the lines of "If there is a god, why doesn't he show himself to us?" And to that, I say why. Why should God or any other 'supreme being' reveal Itself to us?

Which is why I said what I said earlier.

A supreme being is not required to show itself to us because we demand for it to reveal itself to us. If a supreme being will ever make its presence openly known to all of mankind, it will be because the being chooses to. Not because we demand it to.

If anything, we should be trying to find this being. Not trying to have it show itself to us.

 

I'm just shooting here, but what of a Paradox? An event that causes time to invert itself, such as a thousand black holes coming together at once? A force so powerful that time and space are instantly crushed and reformed, and then re-expands?

Edit: Ironically/Coincidentally, there is a Scientology ad in the banner below this post at this moment.

 

I believe that is the Big Crunch theory I mentioned above.

But from what you said, I personally don't believe that time and space would get smushed together along with everything else because they aren't exactly physical objects.

Time is just a measurement we use to determine how long it takes to get to point A to point B.

Space is basically a gigantic box that has infinite size for the Universe to put all of its playtoys. It is the area that matter takes up.

 

Science and logic cannot disprove a deity because science and logic deals with the natural realm. Any sort of deity would exist in a supernatural realm, where things would be different. The laws of physics wouldn't apply in a supernatural realm.

Because we exist in the natural realm, we cannot possibly hope to discover the supernatural realm by using our tools. Our tools are for the natural realm.

The thing about it though, is because you're going off of what we currently know about science. And that is the problem.

If the Big Bang theory is true, then everything about science is based off of the aftermath of the explosion. You keep on saying about the chemical composition of the speck that explodes in the Big Bang. But according to scientists, the Big Bang formed our protons, our neutrons, our electrons. Everything matter is currently made up of. Because science is based off of these fundamental particles, we cannot possibly use their workings to describe something that existed before these particles.

Maybe. But the Big Bang theory states that all of time and space was contained within that speck. So if that theory is true, then what you just said would be incorrect. If all time and space were contained in that speck, then there wouldn't be anything else to tamper with the speck.

A deity wouldn't be bound to the laws of science and physics. Supernatural beats the natural.

A deity would fit as the creator of everything we "know" to be real (I put quotation marks around know because in reality, we cannot prove that we know anything. Personal opinion).

A deity would be thought of in regards to the creation of the universe as the creator. There had to have been some conscience driving force that would have created anything and everything. Either that, or everything has just existed and nothing created it. The Universe and all of its contents are just 'there'.

Oh, and I just noticed this:

That is most definitely incorrect. Scientists never even believed that from the start. Humans did not evolve from apes. If our ancient evolutionary beginnings are true, then humans and apes both evolved from a common ancestor.

After all, if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes around?

 

Wow. One that I can actually answer. Anyways, while we share a common ancestor, our primordial states (Magna Crogon or summat?) was much more primitive, hairy, and based on instinct. Thus, most people are under the delusion of/find it easier to call our shared ancestor an ape.

 

Something or someone had to have created everything. Science does not give us answers, only more questions, which is perfectly fine, but a question is a question, not an answer. Science tells us that things had to have happened a certain way, but it never properly explains the stimulus for their theories. Like how the Big Bang exploded. Just a little bit of logic will tell you that A Universal Consciousness exists. I believe in a lot of mathematics, and I like to apply the theory of "for every action there is an opposite and equal re-action". So the Big Bang would be a reaction, right? Science does not explain the action. They guess, they will make up things. It could've been this, or that, or that one other thing, but then scientists become the same as religious bull shitters most people hate. So guess what everybody, THEY ARE BOTH WRONG!! Its as simple as that. Will we ever know how the Universe came to being? Probably not. But should we strive to find that answer? Well, it gives us something to find. It gives us a treasure to pursue. And is that really all that bad? A longing to find something buried in the sand under a giant X? I dont think so.