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Summit+North Korea= Terrorist Attack?

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Destiny, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. kirairiato

    kirairiato New Member

    wh is he getting rid of f-22 and what is f22???
     
  2. Legendseeker

    Legendseeker OPON Content Writer

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    this is a F-22 kirairiato
     
  3. kirairiato

    kirairiato New Member

    ah...... i see
    i thought that was a place
    XD or like area 51
     
  4. Colonel Caboose

    Colonel Caboose The Man, the Myth, the Legend

    pretty much it's our best plane, it's the only plane that can rival the one Ruissa just made, I can't remember that ones name. anyhow my brother has asked how fast these things can go to the pilots, they can't tell the excat speed. but they say it's like star trek and the force field. so meaning the air around them is literly making a thing around them. we have so many of them that they could literly take out a whole country, because there all stealth, they wouldn't see it coming. so pretty is, send in all these to take the radars and missiles places and send the rest.
     
  5. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    Don't spam, I did that quickly. oozaru

    and you guys we're not talking about planes


    Anyways, pulse you're not American and if Obama really wants to help this country with the economy he'd take away taxes, that's what kills everyone. Plus he wouldn't have it where every buisness, both small and large have to give employees health medication, that means small buisnesses at home and stuff would suffer. Meaning it be the big buisnesses and stuff gaining. The health insurance should come straight from goverment, better yet doctor appointments be free and goverment pays the doctors and stuff. Now that would be what I would do to help the country. Plus have it where we just print more money for goverment. Then there's no need for taxes.

    North Korea if you want to accept it or not is out to get America, and you said it yourself Pulse, the North Korean people were tricked into thinking American's are cruel and stuff, so that means they would want to attack America, and if North Korea are going to do that taking out many Americans, why not do it on the day of the summit and take out some other world leaders. Start world war III. However I must go ahead and say Obama is stupid for that treaty with Russia about nuclear warfare. We should have never signed it, not until all the countries, every single country at one time sign that treaty all togeather in the same room. Meaning we can sign it once world peace is gained. But Honor Guard is right, there will always be somone out there who doesn't want world peace but more so worl domination and what not. However we can obtain world peace one way, that is if all countries had teh same goverment or at least goverment that gets along with the other. So I must say who cares about our country to help North Korea. Us American's have prooven numerous times in the past we don't give up, we are strong people. Back in the American Revolution, we could have lost everything to England could have become slaves and hung and whatever, bu we were willing to take that risk. In the civil war the south, yes they did become confederates, but they were still Americans' and even know they lost that battle, they were willing to risk everything for what they believed in. Yes whatever American's believe in, we will take that chance. I'm sure Americans would believe that it is better to help others than be greedy like you're sugesting pulse. We would rather step foward and help North Korea be able to stand on their own feet and let the people rule the goverment. That's what we were doing with Iraq. That's right, I know majority of us all hate Bush, but he was doing the right thing. Obama is sort of doing that, or so he claims he was going to with Afganastan, but we're not done in Iraq yet. There's a lot that still needs done.

    So let me put it this way, knowing North Korea, they will probaly attempt to attack American's the day of the summit. If not that day eventually they will. Obama is stupid for signing that treaty with Russia about nuclear warfair. US American's should go into North Korea and try to help the people and help set up a Democracy over there no matter what happens here in America, we are strong people.
     
  6. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    A plane doesn't win a war, it is the pilot. You can have the most advance technology, but if you are in a spar with a veteran piliot who know what they are doing, then you are no match.

    N.K. is a threat to be recognize with. But if we do go to war with them and our country is in a mess, which one more important?
     
  7. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    Probaly going to war to help North Korea and stuff. Just like what Desert Warrior said, with World War II, we were in a jam, of the great depression. Then we came out of it, countries owing us money, and we ended up getting our own country back on it's feet. So maybe going to war could have it's advantages.
     
  8. Colonel Caboose

    Colonel Caboose The Man, the Myth, the Legend

    Amen Kairi star
     
  9. kirairiato

    kirairiato New Member

    i agree with you kairi star, this whole sitution is a situation that obama choose the right choice. we also have to pray for the american safety and other country aswell
     
  10. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    Star, you go girl! That was great, you should be president. lol

    Pulse I did'nt know you were not from America. In that case butt out of Obama debates because since he is the president of the united states I think united states citizens have a better idea of what Obama is really like.

    In case you did'nt know pulse Obama's approval rating has gone from 86% down to 54% in just 6 months and expert polling experts have researched past approval ratings and according to them "No other president in U.S history has had a lower approval rating at the 6 month point in their presidency."

    Another poll says that 66% of Americans do not want Obama's healthcare plan. His health care would put the government in control of healthcare and it would become socialised. This is a democracy and americans do not want socialized health care. Sure our health care needs reformed but not in the way Obama is doing it.

    Plus with all this spending he is doing it takes away from our dollar's value. Which causes inflation which leads to a country going bankrupt and that leads to disaster.

    Plus let me give you two more polls Mr. Liberal Pulse.

    According to recent polls 62% of Americans identify themselves as being pro-life and now 60% of Americans identify themselves as conservitive. And last but not least a recent poll also says that 56% of Americans disapprove of what the democrats in congress.

    So there is what Americans think about liberal views and Obama and the democrats.

    Now onto the subject of North Korea. North Korean government could very well attack the summit yet they could not. Believe you me though North Korea will try to attack us one day and I hope whoever the president is will have the guts to fight back because Americans don't take crap from no one and we will fight to the death.

    If North Korea tries something then Obama I hope will fight back and show them they are not the boss here. America and it's friends are the boss.
     
  11. Avalantos

    Avalantos Mr. Detective

    Taking away taxes means your country will die, roads will brake up and become un-driveable (not sure if its a word), schools will close, your city will do nothing to help your area and prisons will close. taxes pay for all of these things and more, taking them away means that the country will "fry", basically rather than making life easier for its people it makes it much more difficult. Printing more money wouldn't help either as it would just weaken the dollar, things cost about the same world wide, meaning if two people in two countrys had exactly the same job, one could get paid £5 an hour where the other could get paid $10 an hour but both would be making the same amount of money. If more money is printed things will "rise" in price, the dollar may eventually be equal to the yen, meaning a dvd could cost $5,000 dollars though it wouldnt matter as you would be making about $250,000 a month.

    No, I said N.Korea would retaliate if America were to do something stupid. Granted in the past N.Koreans were told that Americans are evil but that doesn't mean they cant think for themselves. Media is quiet strictly controlled in N.korea but the internet isn't. Modern N.Korea is significantly different from what it once was.

    It doesn't mean they would want to attack America, there hasn't been any reports of a N.Korean civilian Terrorist attack (I don't think, will do a bit more research) meaning that the civilians don't seem to care, the government tricked the people of N.korea and they seem to be the only ones who have any problems with America which all stems back to communism anyway.

    The treaty with Russia was clever, both countrys are the forefront of nuclear technology in the world, one being on the side of N.Korea and the other siding with S.Korea, with both swaying away from nuclear super weapons it will make the entire situation safer. I agree it would have been better for all countries to sign at once but that is extremely unlikely for many decades in my opinion and thus taking the two nuclear giants out of the picture is only doing the world good.

    On the contrary, I agreed that alot of people like the n.koreans need help and I commend countries such as America for wanting to help but what good is helping another country when the outcome (if failed) is going to make the world worse.

    Conclusion: I agree with what your trying to say but your going about it the wrong way, some ideas you have will probably make the world worse and N.Korea attacking the summit, I still say Highly unlikely to impossible as the reaction may result in a nuclear war which will destroy everything.





    Ok, not being American gives me a nuetral view and I follow Obama's ideas and believe/hope he can change the world that way.

    reguardless of what current polls say he was elected and is your current leader, seems to me people didn't really do any research before they voted which just reflects badly on your country.

    Moving onto N.Korea, if you actually followed the news you would see it is getting more and more unlikely for N.Korea to want to attack america, just yesterday Bill Clinton became the most powerful American to enter N.korea and negotiated the release of 2 American citizens. N.korea had every right to keep them in prison as they broke the law. If they were going to bomb the summit and attack America why would they do this?
     
  12. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    Wrong. Pulse you're not American so it makes you less informed than we Americans are. We know more about our president than you do. When you have lived in America for 16 years then you can question my knowledge of internal social America and how we view Obama and the affects he is having on us.

    Tell me Pulse what affect has Obama had on your country's economy? None. Yet he has had an effect on our economy and our lives and it's not a very good one. WE AMERICANS HAVE EXPERIENCE THE AFFECTS OF OBAMA'S CHOICES SO WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERTSANDING!

    "Regardless of what current polls say"? Those polls show the views of the American people and most of us disapprove of Obama and his policies.

    Also you are right about one thing. Alot of people did'nt research Obama's past but neither did you? Tell me the truth, did you spend hours researching Obama's past?

    As for me I knew Obama was going to be bad. His past record proved that so I did'nt want him to get elected.

    Truth of the matter is Obama was elected by minority groups. Latinos, gays, blacks, ect. The fact is christians make up a large portion of the country as do whites. The thing is not everyone votes. However there is a movement to educate americans and a movement to get people involved in the elections so I can almost guarantee you Obama will not get elected for a second term.

    Now if you want to talk about North Korea let me tell you that they did not have the right to take those people as prisoners and yes I compliment and thank Bill Clinton for his work on freeing the journalist there. North Korea's laws are cruel not laws of justice.

    Now Pulse you seem to not be a planner or a strategist so let me give you insight on someone who studies war. North Korea may be doing this for one of two reasons:

    1. To get America off their backs about the hostages so they can have more time to focus on their nuclear plans.

    2. Since Obama is such a suck up. They may be trying to make him think that North Korea is softening and this causes Obama to fell less threatened which lowers his awarness which leads to an easier terrorist attack.


    You sound like you like North Korea. Also are you from Europe, pulse?
     
  13. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    That is deffinantly not true. So many people here in America don't know as much about Obama as Pulse does. You don't have to be from a specific country to know alot about somebody.

    The sad thing is, that it doesn't exactly matter who the regular people vote for. It is the Electoral College that decides who becomes the next President. The electoral votes, not the popular votes, choose the President.

    I'm sure that there are some laws that are right.
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2009
  14. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    Bravo Soul Knight.

    Plus we don't need all the taxes. A tax that should be removed is property tax and taxes for water and what not. Plus goverment takes money of hard worked American's when we get our pay checks through taxes. Taxes should if we have any be on one thing, that's fun stuff we buy like video games, toys, home decor, so on. Besides that property, water, electric, food, clothes, and off of pay checks should be removed. That will get us out of the economic problem. Plus taxes are waisted half the time. For example there was an exit getting off the highway to enter where I live and they put a red light there to stop accidents, since then there have been more accidents then there ever was, traffic is also formed on the highway and going down the road.

    Sometimes taxes are just waisted on things we don't really need. I personally didn't want McCain, however Palin, as annoying as she was, she was talking about the taxes and how it's being waisted. I'd like to refer back to a certain bridge she was talking about in one of her speeches.

    I personally think neither Obama or McCain should have been the ones for president. It's obvious the ones that should have bee nrunning was Hilliary Clinton or Sarah Palin.



    And exactly what Desert Warrior said, if you haven't noticed states like Illnois, Florida, Lousiana, and some other with high african american counts or democratic counts won Obama and have more electorial votes. Plus another thing we all hate Bush and McCain was just another bush meaning we didn't want anotehr one.
     
  15. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    You know what I just realised Star, I think I know who would make a good president. Either Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee. They both wanted to use these new tax plans that were'nt exactly what you described but similar.

    If I remember correctly I believe a poll said that if the election was today Mitt Romney would tie with Obama. By 2012 Romney could beat Obama pretty well.

    To Desert Warrior: You misunderstand. I'm saying pulse does not know about how well Obama's policies are because he can't feel the affects of them. We in America experience these affects and so we can make a better judgement than someone who is not an American.

    Electoral college votes are supposed to represent who the majority of the population votes for in the state. If 9 out of 10 people vote for Obama in New York then New York's electoral college votes go to Obama.

    Also North Korea uses everything for their own gain so don't expect this act of gratitude from North Korea will not come without a price or something.
     
  16. Avalantos

    Avalantos Mr. Detective

    I am just going to do the N.Korea part as its late and will reply in morning, but simply... yes they had full right to arrest the reporters, they entered N.Korea illegaly which has been know to have been punishable by death, they got lucky with the 16 years in prison and even more lucky with the good relations N.Korea want with America. Both sides know that any wrong move can send a lot of countrys to war. You say there not Laws of justice but they are still laws that you are expected to abide by. How would you like it if a syranger walked into your house and started throwing food everywhere?

    your 2 points are extremely ludacrus, wasn't ging to respond but I will give you the possibility of the first one, which I wouldn't care about. Nuclear power can help N.Korea if used correctly, it just has to be moniterd (sp?).

    Also, yes the United Kingdom is in Europe and thus I am from Europe.

    Fuck it, will do this then sleep.

    Not entirely true, I am less informed than some Americans, but the Americans that are filing lawsuits against Obama due to them not believing he is American even though he made his birth certificates public need to be put in there place.

    The more troops Obama pulls from iraq the better it is for the economy of the UK. Our current leader who is liberal (Gordon Brown, I follow his beliefs, not him as he is a fucking retarded tool) will pull our troops from iraq as more troops are pulled out from America. This gives us more money to use to fix the economy.
    For more impacts Obama has on our economy read this: Obama's bold tax changes could hit Dublin - Telegraph
    This is news to me but it seems by attempting to fix America he may leave 150,000 unemployed here.

    I also stand by my statement of reguardless of what polls say, as polls mean jack shit "oh a poll says obama is bad, that means hes going to step down tomorow"... no it fucking doesn't. WIth all this obama still has time to do great things. Basically you had a choice, vote obama and have him spend millions on health care and more of his ideas, or vote mcain and have him do what bush did and spend billions on war.

    And the actual truth of the matter is, he may have had the black or gay vote but he still had the majority of the votes and thus is the head of your country, guess your going to have to wait until his term is up and you might have someone decent to vote for.
     
  17. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Ha. Like that's gonna happen in 4 years. Nowadays it is the people who have the money, not the people who are actually right for the job.
     
  18. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    Okay pulse your post just said it all. Judging by the foul language used in your post you don't know how to debate properly. You also made it clear your an Obama fanatic, so no matter what I say you will still believe Obama is some great man or something.

    Plus you continue to ignore the polling information which has been very accurate in the past. You continue to ignore the will of the american people as presented in these polls and in protest and by many americans all over this great nation. Everywhere I go I see people who are afraid of the things Obama is doing and what he is trying to do.

    Now in case you did'nt know but we believe in "The will of the people" and Obama is not obeying the will of the people. He's trying to pass his left wing liberal agenda and has ignored the american public. Obama works for us and he is not listening to us. The majority of americans don't want Obama's plans and he is completely ignoring that.

    Now pulse, it's time to put up or shut up. Show me proof that Obama's plans are working. I'm not talking about your opinion. I want to see cold hard facts. You show me that and we can have a real debate. Because right now i'm not taking you seriously.

    BTW, some friendly advice, don't run for public office or anything because we don't need anymore leaders like president Barack Obama.
     
  19. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    Ok, first of all, bashing Pulse for not being American and can't be in an Obama debate is wrong. I value Pulse opinion about Obama and what he has to say about him. Who cares if he is in another country. This show that Obama is seen worldwide, and everyone knows about him. Hearing from other people about Obama who do not live in another country is great, because this show how Obama impact other countries.

    Tax.

    We need them. As much as I hate them, we need them. If you want all these fancies government help. All these agencies, and all of the benefits of American, then taxes are good. If we don't have tax, who is going to pay for you school lunch? Who is going to pay for you school? Who is going to pay for you welfare.

    People say that they don't want to rasie taxes and what not, but are you going to help the government? Do you see all these CEOs and Millionaires giving money to the US Government to lower our national debt, I think not.

    North Korea.

    My exact thoughts about North Korea, they scared shitless. Of course, any country with Nuclear power is a threat, but you think actually N.K. will do something drastic? If they fire a missile at us, we have plenty more to fire back at them.

    Their own people hate the government. And you think they are these huge threat. No, the real threat is the Middle East. Because in the Middle East, we have precious oil and other things we trade with. So if the Middle East cut us off from their supply, then we are truly vunerable.

    America is seen as this iron hand. Everyone is scared of America. A country who is truly free. If I was a small nation, I would be scared too. So one wrong move on America, means one wrong move on the world. Israel, United Kingdom, Spain, France, and Russia, are in some kind of debt to America. So if America is danger, you will have all these countries on N.K. asses.

    Obama.

    Would you guys let him do his job? Damn, let the man breathe. We just got out of a crazy president who fuck up our economy and Obama is trying his hardest to fix that problem.

    Like he said before, it will get worst before it gets better. So CHILLAX.
     
  20. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    You're not gonna place all the blame of the economy on Bush are you? This is gonna sound weird, but Bush actually kept the economy from falling much earlier. The economy started to fall near the end of Clinton's term. Sure, some of the blame goes to Bush. But not all of it.
     

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