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World War II

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Mythril Roxas, May 16, 2009.

  1. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    What do you guys think?
    1. Was the US justified in its entering the war?
    2. Were the Nazi's a real threat to the world?
    3. Did Adolph Hitler really die?
    4. Was Joseph Stalin a Villain or a Hero?
    5. Why did China not take part?


    What are your guy's opnions?
     
  2. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Whoa.

    1. I really don't want to enter into this subject
    2. They was a real threat to the Jews & if the Germany won, then they would continue killing all Jews. Plus, Adolf Hitler was all about Germanians & think that Germanians are the supreme race.
    3. Yes. He committed suicide & I think he also had bombed his building.
    4. Um. Idk.
    5. Now that you brought that up, I really don't know.
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2009
  3. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member


    okay, allow me to comment on your responses...
    1. I'd love to hear your opinion on it.
    2. I agree with you that he and the Nazi party were all about the Arian race, and they were a huge threat to Jews, but were they a threat to "the world"? They didn't even takeover England or France completely. They never got Britain or Paris under their control. So I dont think they were a complete threat to the world, but to the Jews, yes definetly.
    3. They say he took cyanide, but it didnt work, then he shot himself and they burnded his body. But then again, those were Nazi's saying that. They could've made it all up to just protect him. No one every recovered a body, all the proof we have for your statement was the testimony of Nazi's, technically our enemy.
    4. If you dont know, read up on him. He was a vital figure in the War.
    5. again, you should look it up.
     
  4. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    1. Yes. Completely.
    2. Yes. Nazi Germany was one of the strongest military countries in history. Had Hitler not split up his forces when he did, he could have won.
    3. Probably.
    4. Stalin did good, but that doesn't make up for the crimes he commited before and after.
    5. China was kinda beaten by Japan. That's why.
     
  5. Moogle

    Moogle Well-Known Member

    1. Wasn't it revenge for pearl harbor?....

    2. Of course. The slaughtered thousands just because they were different.

    3. .... No. Aliens abducted him, just like they did to Michael Jackson.

    4. I forget who he is....

    5. ....... I don't know what china was doing at this time.
     
  6. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    allow me to comment

    1. Completely? really? why do you say that?
    2. I agree with you, but how did one of the strongest militaries of their time fall so quickly? Why, after doing so well, did they make one bad decision that they chose not to do before hand because they knew it would fail, but then turned back to it a few years after? It doesnt make sense.
    3. hmmmmm......read my response to SB's answer...
    4. yes, he turned Russia into a super industrial power, but his ends did not justifyhis means. In his reign of power, 20 million RUssians died. His own people. My people. In my opinion, he was a worse Villain than Hitler.
    5. not really. China was much more powerful that Japan at the time, they could've crushed Japan.
     
  7. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    1. Well, Japan attacked us. So we hit them back. And Japan was allies with Germany and Italy, and those two countries were attacking our own allies, England and France. So we were completely justified in entering the war.
    2. For Germany, the war turned against their favor. It started with the Battle of Stalingrad. Hitler mistook what the Russians would do, and then suffered badly. And then there was D-Day. D-Day gave us a foothold into Europe, and that was another turning point in the war.
    3. If he didn't die then, he's dead now. He was a meth addict. He probably had an STD (I forget the name. I remember it starts with an 'S').
    4. Stalin may have killed 20 million Russians during his time in power, but Hitler did worse. 6 million Jews. And a grand total of at least 22 million people died during the Holocaust. Hitler killed more than just Jews.
    5. No, China wasn't stronger than Japan. Read this quote.

    Had China been stronger than Japan, they would have held Japan off. But they didn't.
     
  8. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    6. Was China was with us or was with the other Power?
    3. Hitler was a meth addict? Also, the name of the STD that you was asking for was Syphillis.
    1. Did we had more help than just France & England?
     
  9. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    1. Thats what they tell us, yes. But FDR knew it Pearl Harbor was going to happen, and we had been secretly helping Europe all along. Once the Japanese and the Nazi's knew this, they attacked America.
    2. this is all true.
    3. true, he is most likely dead now.
    4. Stalin killed his own people though. You could claim Hitler was a Jew, and maybe he was.
    But in comparison, 6 million isn't as much as 20 million....I think. Am I right?
    5. Maybe, but Japan's attack on China should've provoked them to join the Allies and asked America and Europe for more troops. That, or they should've gave in and joined the Nazi's and the Japps. But they didn't do either, they just stood there and took it. I just find it odd...
    6. Thats number 5's question.
    3. I know, I never knew that either. Desert Warrior, can you find a source for that?
    1. yeah, RUssia for sure. Without Russia, Germany WOULD'VE taken over Europe.
     
  10. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    4. Hitler killed 6 million jews. But he killed more than just jews. Like I said before, the total death count that Nazi Germany made was at least 22 million.
    5. Have you ever played the board game Axis & Allies? Well, in it China is a place that starts under the control of the U.S. In that board game, it is five teams. Russia, Germany, England, Japan, and America. It's a WWII board game. Pretty fun.
    3. I was watching the History Channel a few days ago, and it was talking about Hitler's doctor. Hitler's doctor gave Hitler a daily dose of this medicine he called Vitamuculin (I think that's what it was called. I don't remember completely). The doctor claimed it was just a mixture of vitamins. But it was revealed that along with the vitamins, there was methamphetamines in it. And there is a possibility that Hitler also had Syphillis (Thanks summonerbrandon) and some other disease. I was something like Parkinson's disease.
     
  11. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    4. I know, but Stalin killed HIS OWN PEOPLE!!! 20 mill compaired to 6 mill of the dictators own people. Stalin was ruthless, Lenin and Stalin both braught Russia down to everyone elses level.
    5. sounds interesting. But board games like aren't neccesarily true.
    3. These very well may be things made up to make him seem crazy, not evil, just to preserve the evil abitions of men in governments around the world. They make their failures look like they have a disease, to seperate them from that person. But if they're gonna play that game, then they ALL have that same disease.
     
  12. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    3. Actually, they had some footage to prove that Hitler had that disease (Parkinson's syndrome or cerebal palsy or whatever the show said). They showed a video of Hitler meeting with soldiers and stuff. And you could see Hitler have a tremor in his left hand, which is a characteristic of that disease.
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2009
  13. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    okay, but Parkinsons doesn't affect the brain, so I'm not talking about that neccesarily
     
  14. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Like I said. It might have been cerebal palsy. I don't remember. But one characteristic of whatever disease they mentioned was tremors of the person's limbs.
     
  15. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    1. Was the US justified in its entering the war?
    Yes, we tried hard to stay out to it, but Japan made a mistake and we had enough entering World War II in December 12, 1942

    2. Were the Nazi's a real threat to the world?
    Yes, they were a threat, yes they killed the jews which was very wrong, but he killed others as well, like if you didn't have blinde hair and blue eyes he believed you weren't important and killed you.

    3. Did Adolph Hitler really die?
    they found his body, he shot himself, he died, and even if he is still alive he's not threat, to old to be a threat, for all we know could have died of old age.

    4. Was Joseph Stalin a Villain or a Hero?
    well I haven't started world war II yet in School, that's not till world history next year, I only know of the Jews and stuff from Anne. Frank's Diary and Pearl Harbor from my band trip there back in March.

    5. Why did China not take part?
    China was a democracy like the U.S. at the time and did not believe in war, so I think they were alright in not participating, but if Japan attacked them at a major milltary facility like Japan did to the U.S. I bet they would have entered.
     
  16. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    1. Was the US justified in its entering the war?
    Yes. We were sending aide to our allies because thats what allies do. We did not lend a single soldier till the war, then Japan attacked us and so it was just to enter the war on the side of our allies.

    2. Were the Nazi's a real threat to the world?
    Yes, completely. You say that they didnt even get all of England or France, but look at the time frame of the war. In an incredibly short time Adolf Hitler managed to become a complete menace to just about everyone.

    3. Did Adolph Hitler really die?
    Not relevant. It hardly matters if he died or not, so what if they hid him? Yes he never paid for his crimes, but his status as a threat was neutralized.

    4. Was Joseph Stalin a Villain or a Hero?
    Hero of the war, but villain in life. He helped quite a bit in the war, but his ridiculous crimes afterwards are just as unforgivable as the holocaust.

    5. Why did China not take part?
    Did they even have a reason to?
     
  17. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    1. Your right. I believe theres a little more to the story though. But yes, Pearl Harbor was the reason we got in the war, your completely right.
    2. They killed more Polls than they did Jews, thats correct, and I'm not saying they weren't a threat to certain people, but we they a threat TO THE WORLD?!?! NO. We acted like they were, but they weren't. They never truly accomplished their goals, so either they screwed up along the way, it was all a plan on failing for some sick reason, or we REALLY beat them before they could do any better. I really dont know which it is, and i dont think anyone can truly say one is truer than another really.
    3. I'm not saying he's a threat if he's still alive, my whole point is that WE DIDN'T FIND HIS BODY! NAZIS BURNED IT BEFORE WE COULD GET TO IT!!!
    Isn't that fascinating? It just stuns me.....I don't see why we never had a thorough investigation on it. Thats like if one of the Al Quaeda we captured said Osama was dead, and we just believed him. It just confuses me.
    4. Read up on him. I think he was a bigger Villain than Hitler. And thats a statement considering I AM RUSSIAN.
    5. China was under gowing a civil war/revolution, thats why they didn't participate. I just figured that today. Capitalist chinese v.s. communism chinese, and the Commies obviously won. Thats why they weren't fully in the World War, or even in a full out war with Japan, although they were fighting Japan.

    1. Heres were this debate gets interesting. I do not view Europe as our allies in any way shape or form. The French maybe, only because they helped us a lot in the Revolution, but other than that, not at all. We broke away from Europe, and thats the way we should've kept it up until the present.
    Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.
    - Thomas Jefferson

    I believe in this quote by Thomas J.
    2. Yes, but they did not accomplish their goals. My point is, they are over exaggerated, even though I know well of the horrors they did on Jews and Pollz, they were not as powerful as their enemies. they were dumb, but why? Why/how did they fall of a cliff near the end of the war when it looked like they WOULD'VE won? was it all "part of the plan"? I dont know...
    3. neutralized? What the hell do you mean by that?
    4. yes, I agree. its not just after the war, but before it as well, and during. During his reign, 20 million Russians died. Because of him.
    5. Japan.
     
  18. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    You may not believe they were our allies, but when the alliances are there they do count as our allies.

    They didnt accomplish their goals because we stopped them. Its not like they just failed. The allied power's defeated them before they could.

    Neutralized = no longer a threat

    Yeah, Stalin was a monster but he turned the war.

    China entering just because Japan was in it would be using the war as an excuse to damage the nation it was warring with previously. And losing. China was hurt pretty bad, so unless they were offered alliance with the allied powers, we wouldnt help them and it wouldnt change their position.
     
  19. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    i'm saying i hate/don't believe in the ideal, I know that we are considered allies with Europe right now, but i dont like that.

    The Nazis "ultimant plan" did come to a screeching hault, they made foolish mistakes that they'd never do in the past. Its like a professional basketball player missing a lay-up. Its almost impossible, makes you feel like somethings up.
     
  20. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    -_-_- foolish mistakes: They still exist knowing those who still loves Hitler, wants to continue his plans. How can that be a mistake?
     

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