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Obama Debate

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Twilight Keyblade, Mar 18, 2009.

  1. I'm not afraid of change if it does not harm what is right. The reason that I despise Obama is because he is evil. There is true evil n this world. It does'nt matter if you acknowledge it or not.

    Yukou because you don't follow his word, you are going to hell. That is not my opinion that is a fact. Science only is a physical realm thing. Science will fail you in the end. You wish to make humans the gods of this world. I can not allow that to happen. Because of this I can not see you as a friend.
     
  2. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Fact? Fact? If it was FACT don't you think people would ALL be christian? Nothing about religion is FACT it is FAITH. I dont see how hard it is to get that.
     
  3. To a christian we know it to be fact because God has proved it to us over and over again.
     
  4. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Well congrats, but thats is your BELIEF twilight, not fact.

    And the nation you are describing for the future, its a horrifying place. It goes against everything american stands for. Freedom, Equality, everything. You said we hate Christian's because we changed "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays"? No, its because we LOVE EVERYONE. Happy Holidays covers everyone, including the christians. You. Are. Selfish.
     
  5. People have died and seen heaven and come back to life. People have died and seen hell and come back. Not just christians but athiest too who have now become christians after their trip to the next life.

    Explain that. Explain how all the experiences match what the bible says about hell and heaven?
     
  6. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Once again its a statement made on blind faith Twilight. You aren't going to convert me to christianity here, there is no physical proof that god exists to me. That doesn't mean I'm going to Hell simply because I don't believe in YOUR religion. MY religion says that God judges people on their character, and in MY religious belief, a radical Nazi dictator like you would go to hell for attacking the beliefs of others. And yet, am I attacking you like a religious avenger in every post? No, so I'd like the same respect from you. State your beliefs like a man, but not like a crazed preist.
     
  7. You did'nt answer my question. Your ignoring what I asked

    Now answer the question.
     
  8. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Gladly. Its called a Mental Spasm. Irregular brain wave patterns brought on by Trauma. Christianity is the most publisized religion, and people cannot hallucinate things unfamiliar to them. Do you think buddhists hallucinate the chrisitian god? no, they halluciante the buddha.
     
  9. But the person is dead when they have this experience. Their brain is no longer working so they do not have the ability to hallucinate. Explain to me how a dead induvidual can have such experiences when they are dead and their brain is no longer fuctioning?
     
  10. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    The brain does not immediatly cease function after the death of the body. It dies once the blood it has runs out.
     
  11. But the brain is not capable of hallucinations if the person does not have a conscious. Once your heart stops you according to science loose all your senses and it's like you don't exist. So if this is true the person and the brain are no longer connected therefore the person can not be hallucanating via the brain.

    Now again explain how they can experience heaven or hell when they are dead. Completely dead and still come back to life.
     
  12. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Once again. When the heart stops being the blood stops flowing. That does not stop all function in the body. The function ceases whenever the blood they already have stops. Also, uh, hello, they are lying? Everyone wants to be part of a big story. Its a lie.
     
  13. Okay so your telling me that thousands of people are all lying? I will give you that some of them may be. But the chance of all of them lying is extremely low.

    There are many cases where the person dies and they come back to life many hours later, telling of their experience. Tell me how someone who was dead hours later can come back to life and tell of heaven and hell?
     
  14. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I don't find Obama evil, but to make things amusing, in health class, we was watching a youtube video song about phatdippin & someone was acting like Obama & was talking like him. To me, it was annoying. [​IMG][​IMG]
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2009
  15. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    The same way how someone dies can hours later tell about how Brahma came down and told them they needed to reclaim their place in the caste system before they were eventually killed and reincarnated. The human mind is an amazing thing, if you WANT something to be real, your mind justifies it no matter what. Its possible to lie without KNOWING you are lying. Its not like this kind of situation ONLY happens with christianity, people claim they died and saw their god or religious figure in EVERY religion. It doesn't really prove a point.
     
  16. Athiest have died and saw hell. My own sister died and saw heaven. My sister was my best friend. I trust what she said. She saw heaven. That's prrof enough for me and should be for anyone.

    I realised something. I have been praying and I know I was wrong about something. I don't hate you and I don't hate yukou. I don't hate Obama or Bin Laden. I think your wrong about what you say but I don't hate you. I pray that God comes into your life and you accept his son as your savior. I pray you come to know God and his amazing love.
     
  17. twistedmage

    twistedmage New Member

    I think Zenrot is right. But i also think that some people that die but then miraculously come back to life, just make up an entirerly false claim of seeing their riligions god, heaven, or hell, just for their 15 minutes of fame.

    By the way i thought this was a debate about Obama.
     
  18. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    While I never will agree with Christianity unless God himself comes to me and says, "Jesus was right, listen to him, now", I really respect what you just said, and thank you. I hope that someday you learn to love everyone, no matter what, because isnt that what god does? Good luck friend.

    hahahaha yeahhh... well things kept happening, you know how it is. Anyway, Obama's 100 day address was pretty inspiring, but I mean, I want some action behind it. He's doing the work, but he's trying to tackle to much at once. I want one problem at a time to be dealt with, or we wont get ANYWHERE.
     
  19. twistedmage

    twistedmage New Member


    I agree. Obama is trying to solve all of our problems at the same time. That is impossible to do, all thanx to Bush. But it is possible to fix all of the problems this country is having. I mean look at Clinton. He brought this country out of poverty, and fixed almost all of the problems that the Bush Senior administration created. But Clinton tackled the problems one at a time. He didnt overwhelm himself and his administration with more than they can handle. I believe that if Obama does what Clinton did, then we will once again be a great and prosperous country.
     
  20. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    It is, but it always turn to religion. It is not going out of topic. Obama is a liberal and Twilight thinks he is evil because is liberal.

    First of all, thank you for telling me that I am going to Hell. Maybe I am. Who Cares? I been there, it is quite nice, but make sure you bring sun block when you visit.

    You think people will convert to Christianity because they have died and come back? Look at your comments more closely. People who have these experience usually come back and try to change the way they live. Usually it is selfish bastards or crackheads who wants to do right. And also, I need fact to believe in something.

    Just to let you know something about me, I am Buddhist. I believe in Buddha, cause you know why? He exist! He was a living breathing human being who live in Nepal. He was a prince, but then he saw how people where being treated outside of his palace. Through all the cruelty the pleasant endure, they still keep going with a smile.

    In my religion, we believe in Nirvana and Reincarnation. I believe I will come back to the Earth after I die, because that is something that I was taught.

    I have friends who are atheist and they say that Your God is False. And did I agree with them? No! All I said was you believe in what you wanna believe and they do the same.

    Obama isn't evil. You just don't like his policies. You think he is going to make a living hell out of your life. But you know as college student, like myself, I love him because he is going to give a chance at becoming a doctor. He is going to help me through his stimulus plans and government aid. I support him.
     

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