Abortion

Who cares if it's boring? It's the right thing to do.

Sex was intended to be an act of love between a married couple, just because you get horny does'nt mean you just go and have sex before marriage. By waiting until your married to have sex you prevent so many problems.

It's not about what is natural or boring, it's all about what is right and people with tons of morals are more happy so why don't everyone have tons of morals?

 

Everyone would care if it was boring, it would be like suddenly going back to the middle ages technologically wise.

No, sex was intended as an act of reproduction, humans have evolved and now one of two species who have sex for pleasure (the other being dolphins).

People with a lot of morlaes aren't really happy. Some cases yes but that is an extremely narrow minded point of view, a lot of people say I am one of the happiest people they know due to my lack of morals and my I don't care attitude.

You see, abortion makes you unhappy. Me, I don't care thus it doesn't bother me.

 

Your "Don't care" attitude? You don't have alot of morals? See your only a child mentaly then. Unless you take things seriously and start having a sense of justice, you can never be truly happy. Your just be ignorant, your not letting yourself see that the world is in crisis and the world is immoral. Morality is what keeps peace and order and that is very important.

If you are not going to take the abortion issue seriously then please leave this debate as I only debate with serious thinkers. The fact that you have no morals has made me loose any respect for you.

 

I do have morals, I just don't let issues that don't effect me get me down like you do, it seems my post above has made you slightly unhappy and proved my statement correct.

The thing is, true happiness comes from being content with oneself, if you let things bother you such as abortion you can never become happy as there will always be those who disagree with you. As I have said, I don't support abortion but I rather have the choice if I were a woman, I am not a woman and thus this debate is not one I am too passionate about as it does not effect me.

Please explain how I am not taking this debate seriously? I take the debate seriously, just not you.

 

The difference between us is that I care about all issues, but this one I am passionate about and if your not going to be passionate about something then don't bother participating in it. I'm not unhappy about your comment, I just don't like people who only worries about what effects them, it seems selfish to me.

 

Wow. I don’t even really know where to begin with this. How about something that’s easy to disqualify?

Would you like to verify that statement? And the irony factor, while amusing (a little)…has absolutely no base. Saying that people can’t be happy with morals is, ironically, narrow-minded. My joy comes from God. I am perfectly content to follow His moral standard and seek His face when I completely blow it because I’m human. Note that word, please: content, with all of its connotations. And I am thus in all circumstances, no matter what they are, because God is with me. Don’t say that people with morals aren’t really happy without some evidence, please.

And yes, abortion does make me unhappy. Seeing people suffer makes me unhappy. It’s called empathy. I happen to care about what other people think, and how they feel, and why they feel that way. It’s called love.

…as for your other argument, how can you know what true happiness is if you have never experienced it? I know, this is going to seem subjective, but oh well…often the wisdom of God is foolishness to man. True happiness can only be found in God. Something that is broken or spiritually dead, but was created with a spirit, cannot experience true happiness. There is no wholeness of being, thus making this impossible. There is no life without God.

People can disagree with me all they want. That doesn’t make me unhappy. It challenges me to assess my own views, and humbles me, and teaches me to see things as they do. If I let things that will, if allowed, lead to the annihilation of entire generations, bother me, I am still happy. Sorrowful because people are dying, but joyous for many reasons—such as the fact that God is sovereign and He knows exactly what He is doing.

Abortions can affect men just as much as women, for they are just as guilty of the blood if they concede knowingly.

And mind you, people who do not believe in God or do not know God do have morals. They just don’t have any basis for them other than that which is subjective.

 

What I was trying to explain is people with high morales are less likely to be happy due to the fact a lot more bothers them, Its my strange logic really, In this world would a man with no morales be happier with a man with very high morales? Unlikely due to the "I don't care" perspective of the man with no morals.

I also feel empathy but on the topic of abortion there is no reason, the only person that you could empathies with is the woman having the abortion. But she chose to have an abortion (hopefully) and thus there is no reason to feel empathy in this case.

I did try to find happiness with God, and lets just say it wasn't working well for the 18 years I tried it. I am much happier now that I live by my own set of rules and not some I was told I should follow.

Yes, abortions can affect men but not as much as women, thats why I believe to have an abortion or not should always be the womans decision, but the woman should take into consideration the mans feelings about it.

 

You really don't get it, do you? It's not about just being happy, life is about kindness, love, and sharing God's love. If everyone in the world acted like you, then who would be the responsible ones? See people like you live in your own little world and your happiness is due to your ignorance. Responsible people are the ones that have to take care of your ass and clean up your messes.

We christians are usualy happy for a reason, we know that we are on the right side. As long as we have God, then we can anything. You said you did'nt like following other's rules. What are you going to do when you get a job? Do you follow the law? Do you have manners? These things are set in place to maintan order.

I pray that you will grow up and start living your life for God and others, instead of yourself. This is the only way to find true happiness.

 

Abortion is a terrible sin & sex before marriage is even terrible. They are not good in god's eyes.

 

wow....haha.
Dont lump in the belief with religion. Morals have NOTHING to do with religion. You can have morals, and not be a believer in any particular religion, its called CHARACTER.

And CHARACTER will give the ability to restrict yourself from what you perseeve as "uncontrolable urges". Hormones can be controlled.(duh?)

 

No, your wrong, it is about being happy and doing these things should make you happy. I know it makes me smile when I know I have helped someone else. I do it because I chose to not because my religion says I must.

Currently Self employed whilst studying, hoping to expand that once my studies are finished. I do follow the law of my country, not all of them obviously as some are absurd laws from hundreds of years ago. And I do have manners, its called being courteous.

Though this is more for the religion debate, how do you know this? Nearly Every religion states this but you seem to hate Al Queida (spelling) who bombed the twin towers for there religion. Whats to say that there religion is wrong and yours is right?

 

good points Pulse, but life is not about happiness...unfortunetly

 

Then what is life about to you? For many of us, it might be different things. But what is life supposed to do? Just simply live? Because I can do that and I am. . .unless you say otherwise.

 

its complicated (like most things), so I wont go off track of what this thread is about. But the "meaning of life" isn't sugarcoated like "oh, the meaning to life is happiness"......no.
The truth can't be changed by words.
Its more of a "doom and gloom" reality.

But how that pertains to this thread is that most of these lazy pregnant women who want abortions are basically just being lazy, and not thinking of their responsibilities.
They think lifes all about "happinness", but there is a time for work and responsibility, and a time for play. "Growing up" means you've learned the difference.

 

No. God wants you to live. He promise that shall have life & promise that you will not perish, but you must first follow him. Also, you shouldn't do bad stuff just to make you happy. That's what demons wants you to do. They don't want you to find joy through god or religion. God promise everyone eternal life in heaven & everyone deserves to have it.

 

not saying I totally agree with you (but I understand were your coming from), in that my whole point is that these women who want abortions are "following the demons", yah know? They're doing things that make them happy, and not caring who or what they hurt in doing so. Laziness and Greed.

 

Of course a lot more bothers me. In recognizing all of the evil in this world—in seeing how fallen we are, in seeing that God isn’t worshipped by all peoples—I am upset. I should be. Plus, I’d be extremely unhappy not caring. Us passionate people need to care about things. It’s literally against our temperament to have an “I don’t care” attitude about anything. I would deny this simply because I don’t like to admit it, but I have evidence against myself, so it didn’t work out very well. If I say that I don’t care, I don’t care with ice behind it. So, it’s not really not caring…the emotional response belies the apathy. Nothing is ever lukewarm.

There’s this saying: “Ignorance is bliss.” Is it really? Knowing the truth has been much more blissful for me than ignorance ever was. In my opinion, never knowing about the condition of the world, never hearing about Jesus, and never hearing God’s glorious plan…and then finding out about everything when it was too late, would be worse than the most despairing anguish. It would not be blissful. If you choose to remain ignorant of your own volition, that doesn’t mean that you are suddenly excused, for man is without excuse: (warning: biblical argument) “For since the creation of the world His invisible [attributes] are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,” (Rom. 1:20).

And you again are incorrect there being no reason for empathy. Everything about abortion hurts—the act to get there, the fetus, the mother, the father, the family…and the generational consequences. Add to that the heart of God, and the amount of pain, of sorrow, of hurt is barely tolerable. Even if the woman wants to have the abortion, having knowledge about the consequences as I do, I would still have empathy. Perhaps a better picture: love. Love doesn’t change because of circumstance; even if she decided to do what is evil I would still love her, and I would still sorrow for her.

You don’t “try” to find happiness with God. He is your happiness. There is religion, and there is relationship. You had religion. I have relationship. To think that by trying you, who are so infinitesimally small, could gain happiness…is foolish. I follow rules not out of legalistic devotion, but out of devoted delight. I want to seek God, I want to know Him, I want to walk with Him, I want to worship Him and surrender. Do you understand the idea of worship? Of delight? Of cherishing someone? Of needing someone so much that if you didn’t have them, you would literally die? This is how I feel about God. The rules are written on my heart. Saved by grace, and justified by faith.

As for your last point, I realize that yes, in most cases I would agree that it affects the woman more than the man (I haven’t met every man and/or woman on the planet throughout time). However, you are missing my point. The point is not whether the woman has a choice or should have more of a choice than the man. The point is that if she relies on herself and her own opinion, her decision subjective, and therefore has no base. Basically, if you want me to put it bluntly, it’s illogical. Yes, she has a choice. But she cannot say of herself whether it is right or wrong. All that she can say is that she likes or dislikes it. [It’s her decision when it comes down to it because God has given us free will.]

You should consider reading The History of Rasselas, Prince of Abyssinia by Samuel Johnson. Mythril Roxas is right that life is not about happiness. (Wrong about the whole doom and gloom, but right about the happiness point.)

Morals have a great deal to do with religion. If you do not believe in anything, that is called Nihilism. If you do not believe in God, that is called Atheism. If you believe in “mother earth” (or whatever you want to call the “life force”), that is called Pantheism. If worldview affects everything that we do, and how we perceive everything to be (which it does), and religion is a major aspect of that worldview, it is going to affect our morality.

I know that we’ve already gotten into this discussion before. Nobody likes to answer this question. Where does morality come from? And if you so desire to call it character (it matters not) where does it come from?

I was not always a Christian. I used to be an Atheist. (And almost a Wiccan, but I’d rather not stray too far here.) While I was an Atheist, I still had morals. True, I had no real base for them, other than my extreme sensitivity to people which caused me to exercise great caution in what I wrote, etc. Why, though? Why did I have them? Where did they come from?

 

Well, technically it's all point of view. On the religious side, it's wrong. One reason is that virginity is a gift that you can only give to one person, and it's better to give it to the person you're married to (hopefully the person you truly love).

That depends. I have plenty of morals and I'm usually happy. But most of the time, my unhappiness isn't from something against my morals.

While the last statement is true, the part about morals and religion not doing anything with eachother is wrong. Religion is supposed to dictate what is morally right and wrong. Like the U.S. Constitution. The Founding Fathers made it based off of Judeo-Christian morals.

Wikipedia - Meaning of Life

The meaning of life is whatever you want it to be. The above link has lots of things that could be considered the meaning of life. I especially like the one from Plato.

It depends what the thing is. To me, knowing certain things depresses me. So the way I see it, ignorance can be a bliss.

 

I disagree that the meaning of life is whatever you want it to be. The meaning of life, objectively, is to worship God. We were created for His glory. (I will post the Scripture for this at a later time.) Now what we do with that truth is our decision because we have free will; thus in a subjective sense, yes, life is whatever we want it to be. But objectively (which overrides the subjective), life is not whatever we want it to be.

I suppose I see your point about the ignorance sometimes being blissful. (There are some things I feel better not knowing, like how many people died from bombing overseas). I had more of a slant toward ignorance in regards to Salvation...In this case, ignorance is obviously not blissful.

 

But, where is the evidence of God? I still don't see him/her.