Abortion

It seems every thick headed Christian child has been brought up believing they are the next messiah...

What they don't understand is that most of us (maybe all I don't know) don't support abortion but support the right to have one.

 

Then you support the right to take life. That is the same as saying you have the right to kill your neighbor or something. Just because something is unborn does'nt mean it's not human. When will you people grow up and start living by the strict moral rules that have been proven to work?

 

I assume you believe your a living example of this? HAHAHAHAHAHA

It all comes down to beliefs, there is no way to tell when a life begins and ends but I believe that life starts once you exit the womb.
I hold rather high morals and have said personally I will never want a child of mine to be aborted, but the ultimate decision would be up to the mother and being who I am, I will support the decision.

 

So it is upto the mother to kill her baby? Is that what your saying? Yes, it is her choice to abort or not, but is it right? No, just because someone can make a choice does'nt make it right.

Choices have to be limited. People should be punished for doing evil things, that's how we keep order and peace. Abortion is evil, so anyone who gets an abortion should be punished.

 

Again sir, would you consider the wilful destruction of an amoeba, cell, pathogen, insect or animal murder?

Because we all know that the killing of god's most wonderful gift - The tumour - was humanity's greatest mistake. Lets hope all those cancer sufferers who whent through kaemotherapy burn in hell eh? Where then you can laugh at their suffering.

 

Finally something we agree on, but if choices are removed whats the point in living? We will all have the same experiences, having choices and free will is what makes us human and not mindless puppets.

 

Cancer? Amoeba? These things do not contain human DNA and they hurt people. Babies don't hurt people, they are innocent.

But there is such a thing as good choices and bad choices. If a person makes the choice to murder your mom, then they are punished for it.

The same thing should apply to abortion. If a mother chooses to abort her child then she should be punsihed. That's why abortion is illegal. IT IS EVIL!!!!!!!

 

But my Mom would have been alive before she was murdered. A fetus isn't alive thus it cant be murder.

 

So what your saying is it is only morally justifyable to protect things which contain human DNA. Babies can grow up to be far more harmful than any pathogen or cancer, but enough of that - Thats what i'm telling you. For a long while, it is not a "baby", but a bundle of cells, like many amoeba.

 

That's not true, the fetus is alive. Show me evidence that says otherwise?

 

In europe the abortion limit is 9 weeks. If it where to be seperated from the mother at any time (up to around 21 weeks) the baby would be dead, and it is therefore considered to be part of the mother. (If you'll excuse the comparisson, much like a tumor )

 

Posted before me by the legendary .BB

 

But children also depend on others for food. A born baby cannot survive without someone to take care of it, feed it and such. So your basicaly saying that a born baby is a tumor also.

Same reply as to ,BB.

 

Haha merci beacoup Pulse, and it was more of a joke Twilight. But nonetheless, the baby is still PART of the mother, as if it where to be born, it would be born dead. The things you are comparing are two totally different states. One is a lack of comprehension, the other is quite simply a lack of a mind.

 

But no one knows for sure when the life truly begins. Even researchers have said that. So what if the said today that they discovered that the soul really does exist and that live begins at the moment of conception and that abortion was murder? What would you say then?

 

But there is no evidence of the thing called the soul.

 

I suppose that souls cannot be proved/disproved scientifically; however, this is not to say that souls do not exist. Consider the following similar argument: science has no evidence for the existence of God, but this is not to say that God does not exist. Souls are not within the realm of possibility to test, and are therefore violating the Falsifiability Criterion, one of the basic principles of science.

This inability to disprove the existence of souls can be attributed to the fact that science is literally the study of the natural world (of course there is more detail than just this, but to make a quick point works well enough). All things that are outside of that natural world are not within the scope/ability of science to make assumptions about. Science, because it is ultimately finite in being unable to look beyond a natural sphere (such as the supernatural), cannot rightly assume that something beyond its scope is not existent.

Concerning the argument of abortion:

For me personally, as a Christian, I disagree with abortion in virtually all cases (except those upon which, when prayerfully considered, yield to abortion—and even then I would still be very skeptical that God was actually desirous that it be done). I think that at the moment a sperm cell merges with an egg cell, life begins. Thus, an action committed to the destruction of that cell such as abortion would be murder.

It is true that many people dispute upon when the life process actually begins. Looking at Cultural Anthropology specifically, it can be seen that some peoples, like the Ashanti of Ghana, would argue that life does not begin until after birth. (8 days after for the Ashanti.) This is relativism; there is no one absolute standard apparent across all cultures, but each culture (or person, considering that America is very individualized) has its own standard.

At another point in time (because I think I have presented enough information right at the moment for people to chew on) I will present scientific “evidences” of life—five points that classify something as either living or nonliving. Then after that, I’ll post information which examines morality itself, which I personally believe is the actual heart behind the controversy/issue of abortion.

 

yer i agree abortion is another name 4 legal murder!

 

But why is legal?

 

Akin to the death sentance then?

I'm just happy to have someone with some intellect joining the anti-abortion side. Anyhow, in answer to waterfall:

Indeed just because science can not prove something, does not mean it does not exist - yet one can not rightly assume anything. Whilst science is as you said, a study of the natural world there is no conclusive evidence pointing to any other sphere of understanding, or rather, the supernatural - merely faith, which in essence is what all belief systems are based on, as the name would imply. Of course (I apologize, this is a well used arguement) by those boundary's science is also unable to disprove the existance of leprichauns, dragons or fairy godmothers.

Indeed while the views on when life as we know it begins vary (and thus the dubious morality of abortions in the first place) is not then dependant upon the person in question's beleifs as to whether they feel it is murder or not? Therefore it is there choice, influenced by their beliefs. It was seem extreme fundamentalist christian's always like to point out "Well what if the woman is an amoral scumbag?", well in equipoise - What if she isn't? If she can live with her decision, and did it for sound reasons then who are we to judge?

Finally, whilst the foetus is technically alive, it doesn't stop it from being a bundle of cells (Of course, you could define any human being as a bundle of cells loosely, but you get the implication). There are many cellular constructions which can be considered to be "alive".