Religion

So do "mythology". And a lot of so called "myths" are actually the same as the Biblical stories. Its not different...duh? Also, the Bible has no dates in it. So whats your point?

 

Well, looking at his posts, I'm guessing that his point is that mythology is just stories.

To which he is right, they are stories, like the bible and other religious texts. And they may not be true, but who cares if it's true or not? I'm interested in mythology cause I think it's cool. I find the stories to be rather interesting.

 

I believe they are true. I think some ridiculous ones are just thrown in there to confuse people, but ,most are true. They really happened.

 

What, like Zeus kills his father Cronos and locks away all of the Titans?

 

That is the Greek mythology about how Zeus became the leader of the gods. Now, if Greek mythology were true, then yes, it did happen. But if Greek mythology is wrong, then it didn't happen, and it is just a story.

 

I personally hate Greek Myhtology, because its a copy of all these other religions/mythologies turned into a big soap opera. It pisses me off.....
No, I believe in like Egyptian mythology hardcore, and some of Hindu/Indian mythology. And of coure I think a lot of Persian mythology is awesome because most of it corrolates with Zoroastrianism.

 

Why do you think that Greek mythology is just copied off of another religion? And I think that the Romans had actually copied off of the Greeks with their religion. Seriously, you cannot say that one religion copied off of another just because it sounds so similar to another one.

 

Pretty much almost all religions have the same core beliefs. There's the Good and the Bad, then a Heaven and a Hell.

 

yeah, although thats more of a Western view of things, the Orient/Eastern view is a more complex system involving karma. I believe in a combination of the two, but the first religion to talk about "Heaven", "Hell", and "Limbo" was Zoroastrianism and Egyptian mythology. Greek myhtology and Christianity were the biggest religions to "copy" Zoroastrian ideals. And as for how Greek mythology copied? Have you ever read that stuff? Its bits and pieces of everything crammed into that one religion!! Its terrible! But they twist it to seem more "original". But its not. Now I can understand if you dont know what I'm talking about because maybe you havent done your "fair share" of reading these other mythologies that Greek mythology "copied" off of....so you wouldnt understand the significant "theme", but it isnt my place to tell you to do so. I suggest though that if you're gonna ridicule or judge my beliefs and these ancient religions I subscribed to, I'd say you read up on it first.

 

Now We See. . .

Well, wouldn't you be ridiculing my religion? If that's true, then um, that's being a hypocrite correct Roxas?

 

I admit, I've never truly taken the time to look at many mythologies. I haven't actually looked at Greek too much either. I know what I know from what I've heard about it.

And with you saying that Christianity copying Zoroastrian ideals, I gotta say that I don't believe they did.

True, there are many similarities. But once again, just because something is so similar doesn't mean it's copied off of another thing. Perhaps it's coincidence that they are similar. But seriously, what are the odds of it being copied?

 

It is. I only hear ignorance, sorry Desert. Its the constant theme of Father, Good Son, and Bad son. The theme of Heaven ad hell. The theme of good versus evil in these "great wars". Almost all religins have forms of this. But Zoroastrianism and Egyptian mythology were first. You need to give that some thought and respect. You cant call these things "just similarites". Read it up some time, and you'll know what I mean. A good book to look up is Mythology for Storytellers: Themes and Tales from Around the World. I did a book report on it. Its really good, and shows these "similarities" in a fuller light. Now I know you probably wont read it, because most people are impatient and lazy, no one wants to sit down and read a good book anymore, everyone wants to read off a screen or watch a video, so in that sense everyone has ADD. But if you really want to "learn" something through this debate, that book is a good place to start.

 

You say all you hear is ignorance, but you don't seem to hear your own.

Yes, Egyptian and Zoroastrianism came before Christianity. But there is no proof on them being copied. Yes, it can be a coincidence that they are so similar. Honestly, just because two different people come up with the same idea at different times doesn't mean it was copied.

You need to give me actual proof of Christianity copying Zoroastrianism before I can believe you.

 

Well I need a Time Machine for that friend....haha! Theres enough proof that suggests they did. I dont see my own stubbornness because I aint stubborn. Where was I stubborn. Proove my stubborness? I've "done my homework", and come to the conclusion that the same ideals as Zoroastrianism and Egyptian mythology have been copied and twisted by dogmatic religions of the here and now. The whole of Revelations was copied. The numbers, the Names, almost everything. Thats a biggy. Also the Creation myth of Christianity was copied off of almost ervything. Read Mythology for Storytellers to figure that out, thats quiet easy. Things like this get really complicated, and you could call it my own laziness, ut theres so much that if i had the time to go through it all and proove it all, there'd be so much none of you'd read it all because it be to long. I'll explain things slowly when I have time. But a similarity is much more than what you've got to proove your point Desert (that they didnt copy). Whers your proof that they didnt? Where? Your faith? psh....

 

I never called you stubborn.

And even if I can't prove that I'm right, you can't prove you're right. Mainly cause you said you need a time machine to do so.

And, why don't we take this from another angle?

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They are all so similar. And say their not copying off of eachother. And the way they say they were formed is true. And since they were all formed by God, then wouldn't Zoroastrianism be formed the same way, just earlier?

Like God told the founder in a dream (although I think only Islam was founded that way) to create the religion. Like a way to spread the same religion over different parts of the world.

 

Yes, thanks Desert.

 

Exactly, it was first. "god" isnt the god you think you know, and soon in the coming years you'll learn who all these 'religions' really worship, but as far as a spiritual belief, these religions are all the same, just ignoratn of that truth and want to be their own. They're fakely different, and truly the same. Get it? But Zoroastrianism isnt like them. Zoroastrianism is kinda open-minded to such things as there being the possibility of the existence of dragons, demons, and angels in mortal form. They speek more from the truthful aspect, and are more understanding if not believing in such things as astrology, astronomy, and science than modern religoins that call such things pagan and demonic. Ignorance blinds people from the truth. People need to be more open-minded to be able to understand "the truth".

I used to believe in that. I'm not sure of whose "good" or "bad" yet, its very possible that everything is just "bad". But I'm more in the belief that either 'A', what you said is true, and there really is a god that just uses different religions to spread the "truth" around the world, OR all religion is bad, and they're all in on the same deal. To manipulate and control humanity through fake government and fake spiritual "guidance"

 

Then, I Make My Move. . . .

Well, in that statement right there, that's being ingorant with a closed-mind Roxas. By saying that you say that your religion is open-minded. According to you being open-minded is a form of superiority. Also, by saying that other religions are false to Zoroatrianism, you're being a closed-minded person.

 

No, I've was Christian once, I was raised Christian, and I know them from the inside out. I know what they're all about, and when I started thinking open mindedly towards other things....I was sick to the stomach that I'd been following a fake religoin that kept me in a small box of information and dogmatic mind manipulation. Christians dont want anyone to learn about other religions, they just want you to take their word that what they say is the truth. I hate to say this about anything....and I may sound 'biest' ,and a lot of things may seem to make sense to some of you after I say this....but I see Christianity as the closest religion to Satanism. Islam and Judaism are a little bit different.....even though really they DO worship the same god whether they like it or not. But Islam and Orthodox Judaism teach a sense of discipline I really respect. For modern day Christians....its like religion isnt serious anymore. They have no discipline, because everyone can be "forgiven of their sins if they believe in Jesus". And that right there my friends is a total lie. You will not get to heaven if your a rapist and then on your death bed "find Christ", you wont go to heaven if your a evil murderer without just cause and are baptised before you die, you wont go to heaven if your an Athiest all your life, and then the day before you start reading the bible and say you "believe in Jesus". No. Actions speek louder than words.

Now none of this applies to those of you who take your beliefs seriously. But the majority of the 1.2 billion Christians out there are as fake as Michael Jackson's face.

 

Well, you do have a point. But we don't force our religion on ithers, and um, we are pretty open-minded. I myself hate the "Jesus Freaks" out there preching crap that they probably don't follow.